For me, this was more demoralising than the Saints defeat - at least then we could use the excuse that players were getting used to new structures/halves etc.

Make no mistake about it - that was an average Wigan team. A decent team would have been out of sight by half-time and not given us gilt edge chances to get back in it, even though it was clear we didn't have the guile to.

Sadly, we're running out of options in terms of attack. O'Brien was dreadful, Myler was awful at best and generally anonymous, M.Monas is now just a journeyman and I still don't see Ratch as a stand-off. As for the forwards, take Westwood and Higham out and there wasn't a single performance that raised any hopes of better days.

Thanks god Wood and Harrison will be back soon, but we could field the best pack on the planet at the moment and still couldn't engineer a decent attacking structure or punishing kicking game.

I think Wigan peer may be right! Briers did a lot more than just the physical play. Brains on the pitch were clearly lacking tonight amongst other things. Not an overreaction to say none of our half backs are good enough,Russell needs to start and England's menace was needed tonight. Never thought I'd see us out-menaced by Wigan. Horrible.

I thought we played decent especially in those conditions we obviously like to pass the ball these days but its hard when its chucking it down and any contact on the ball in a tackle and it pops out. Its not like you defended crap either really you just don't have the halfbacks to organise the team as they need to be.

I see enough to realise we are on the right track and will be up there again, so will you if tony smith starts coaching attacking structures.

If I was a Wigan fan I'd be happy with that. Pretty much shut out a team (away from home) that will be in the top 6 come the end of the season in awful conditions. Also, they have a young team which is only just starting to reach it's potential. On our side of things, its worrying how we've gone from being devastating in attack 2 seasons ago and to a lesser extent last year to being clueless as to how to break down a team. The kicking on display tonight speaks for itself.

The funny thing is there are a lot of people blaming the loss of key players, me personally I think the problem is we didn't make more changes over a longer period of time. Not going to name names as don't want this to seem like a knee jerk but I've had this opinion about a fair few of our "stars" for a while. I'd be looking at making some tough calls this season if I was TS - the only worry is, is the talent out there to recruit?

Got to give credit to the usuals:: Super Ben who run his blood to water when he was on, Hill was safe as houses and Higham was our best player 1st half.

We were pretty poor granted but we do have our best two players to come pack so no panic here. We won at a canter pretty much which is shocking considering we weren't anywhere near our best.

Early days for both teams though. People giving trophies to Leeds and Saints already would be wise to remember how every superleague season has finished for the past 3 or 4 years.

Indeed he was. So we subbed him and brought on a player with no knees. Coaching by numbers.

Dwyer?

You were no great shakes yourselves to be fair, but we were absolutely shocking. Yes, it's 2 points won by your team, but it was a fairly easy 2 points. We could have played a further 80 minutes and not scored.

Usually with Leeds as champions

The worst Wire Wigan game ever.

I cant add anything more to the debate.


well I can..........Joel Monaghan how many times was he rinsed by the Wigan Winger if that Was Chris Riley there'd be a facebook campaign set up to have him shot....gets away with murder does joel at times.

No further comments m'lud it was a shocker

Ok defence tonight. But concerns over line breaks, have we got players who cannot put someone through a gap or players who cannot run into a gap? Concerned come sept pointd difference could be top 4 or not?

We are not good enough. Simple as that!
People keep saying don't be so negative but it's the truth.
We've been spoilt the last few years but the current squad is way off it and it really surprises me that Smith could not have seen this coming.
Saints, Leeds and Huddersfield are a step up in class.
There are so many things wrong but the biggest thing is that we just can not break a half decent defence down. We have no creativity whatsoever and no goal kicker.... Ratchford just not good enough kicker I'm afraid.
Myler istruggling badly. Bridge is past it! Westwood outstanding! Michael/Joel Monaghan, Hill and Higham are good enough. The rest look mediocre.
Not a good time go be a Warrington fan!

Why bring last season into it?

He was talking about the Wigan team tonight. And yes, you were mediocre.

But get yourself over it, FFS. You won. You got the 2 points. You made bloody hard work of it though. You will play much better than that.

I dare say we will play a hell of a lot better than we played.

We're a team that relies entirely on a good forward drive and then an inch-perfect kick. Unfortunately, we don't have a kicker of anywhere near that quality anymore, so it's a very poor set-up. Despondent really, we have no aggression (Benny aside) no runners, and very little pace.

There's far too much Mr Nice Guy stuff for me too. Even though Morley's disciplinary record was exemplary in latter years, he did at least add aggression and instilled fear in opponents when defending.