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| I also don't think Dwyer playing with one arm for two defensive sets on our own line helped, he was running around with his shoulder limp, before trying to go behind the defence and run alongside Ratchford at full back. Wilkin ran right at him and scored. Think we'll be without him for Catalans.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Well, you can SAY that. But from where I'm looking SL has never fielded as much quality at the junior level. By comparison the Australians are looking ... can we dare say it ... threadbare? We already easily match them in the pack. Indeed, I'd say we currently outmatch Australia in the pack.
Throw in some of the kids we've got coming through at Warrington, Saints, Wigan, Leeds etc. and we've never had a better chance of turning them over in years.'"
I think the problem is the gap between under 19s & SL is too great ,we need either to bring back say an under 23s or an A team format to help with the development of players so when young players are lined up against their more experienced opponents they have a better chance of competing. An extra age group would also produce more opportunity for youngsters to enter the game.
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| We got on top today when both teams had their big guns off having a breather. Savelio and Richards in particular getting some really good go forward and winning penalties with aggressive running.
People being a little harsh on Patton who I thought put in some good kicks - just needs to step up a bit and not drift out the game for periods.
You need to find a way of getting Ratchford on the ball in good situations more.
But the biggest difference was Roby v Clarke who was very quiet yet again
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| Quote: yogi bear "We got on top today when both teams had their big guns off having a breather. Savelio and Richards in particular getting some really good go forward and winning penalties with aggressive running.
People being a little harsh on Patton who I thought put in some good kicks - just needs to step up a bit and not drift out the game for periods.
You need to find a way of getting Ratchford on the ball in good situations more.
But the biggest difference was Roby v Clarke who was very quiet yet again'"
Can not argue with the Roby v Clark bit but what really annoyed me was the awarding of that try by video ref,everyone around me was gobsmacked and that was neutral fans.Now before anyone tells me im wrong i did not have a great view but even im not that blind.
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| Quote: karetaker "Can not argue with the Roby v Clark bit but what really annoyed me was the awarding of that try by video ref,everyone around me was gobsmacked and that was neutral fans.Now before anyone tells me im wrong i did not have a great view but even im not that blind.'"
The Wilkin one? What was the problem? Apart from the spineless git running at a player with one arm he did get the ball down in the end, though there is an argument over when it stopped but if Crabtree got his then I guess anything goes.
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| Quote: karetaker "Can not argue with the Roby v Clark bit but what really annoyed me was the awarding of that try by video ref,everyone around me was gobsmacked and that was neutral fans.Now before anyone tells me im wrong i did not have a great view but even im not that blind.'"
100% try - at first it looked 18" short but turns out that white line was a advert painted on the grass.
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| ....and the arm? Perhaps the try line was painted over it!
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| Quote: rubber duckie "....and the arm? Perhaps the try line was painted over it!'"
Classic case of them having to go with the onfield referee. If he referred that as 'No try', they wouldn't have been able to prove he did ground it, but he referred it as a try. In that scenario they have to categorically prove he didn't get it down. On one angle it looked like the arm was under the ball, but on one angle, the side on view, it looked like the ball was so low it would have to be on the ground.
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| Quote: yogi bear "
You need to find a way of getting Ratchford on the ball in good situations more.'"
Too bad few at Warrington cannot see that!
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Too bad few at Warrington cannot see that!'"
You can't have a scav like Ratch in such a position. He will not pass the ball, he's a one man band and anything he creates is for himself, that's not a 6, imo.
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| He is a hb all the way. He has great hands, is dynamic and carries a presence that you cannot get from Patton, Myler and GOB unless they are sat on each other's shoulders.
The days of crafty halfbacks running through and around big bellied immobile props are well gone.
The new breed of halfback ought to be 5ft11 plus and 14.5 - 15 stone like Widdop and Cherry-Evans. It's all relative, nowadays a regular prop is a 6ft plus and 17 - 17.5 stone athlete.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "He is a hb all the way. He has great hands, is dynamic and carries a presence that you cannot get from Patton, Myler and GOB unless they are sat on each other's shoulders.
The days of crafty halfbacks running through and around big bellied immobile props are well gone.
The new breed of halfback ought to be 5ft11 plus and 14.5 - 15 stone like Widdop and Cherry-Evans. It's all relative, nowadays a regular prop is a 6ft plus and 17 - 17.5 stone athlete.'"
He's erratic! He runs around like a blue ars fly and creates mayhem. But I don't think he's a ball player, he's a runner out and out. Currie is a ball player and big enough to hold his own as a 6 ala Sutcliffe.
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| I didn't say he's a ball player..?
Forwards are ball players but yes he is a footballer.
You can call his running style erratic, I call it illusive and it creates confusion in defences.
He is our best player and ought to be in a position that's nearest to where he can get his hands on the ball more often. The more he has the the ball, the greater threat is our attack.
Currie however is quite rightly a ball player, good hands during a discipline move but that doesn't make him a play creator or acting half that you can put Currie at over Ratchford, assuming that is what you mean as a "ball player"?!
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| Quote: rubber duckie "I didn't say he's a ball player..?
Forwards are ball players but yes he is a footballer.
You can call his running style erratic, I call it illusive and it creates confusion in defences.
He is our best player and ought to be in a position that's nearest to where he can get his hands on the ball more often. The more he has the the ball, the greater threat is our attack.
Currie however is quite rightly a ball player, good hands during a discipline move but that doesn't make him a play creator or acting half.!!!'"
I think we have different definitions of ball player. Forwards are hardly ball players.... I see 6/7's are ball players, sending players through holes and making assists. Forwards at best pass on in a move, generally known for running into people rather than spaces.
I think you could make an argument that if you move Ratchford up, it stops the space he has running around the back. You push him up and suddenly defences are on him a lot quicker. I think Currie would make a good 6. personally, maybe not great, but he's good at putting people in space and big enough to handle a crack running at the line.
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| Well Wilkin out played Myler as a 6 so there is a case for a forward.
However Bridge is the ideal candidate for that position.
There is some footballing in Currie but he's no hb, I dare say he could give it a go though.
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