"I thought Bradford were terrific, they out-enthused us. Yeh, we have got some things to work on but we did some good things too; so the squad bus turned up at the stadium on time, and all the guys managed to pull their jerseys on without any help from Bob....."

No I don't think TS has taken Wire as far as he can. He is still a top quality coach, it's his judgement that is in question following the recruitment round, plus (for me) the decision to hang on to an old squad rather than slowly replacing them. But he will be hurting, and his pride will have had a knock. He will wan't to put it right, otherwise there will always be a black mark against his career.

I think where we end up now (at the end of the season), will depend on his ability to restore morale which must be dropping fast. Low morale is the real killer which he has to avoid at all costs; 'that way madness lies'.

Hasler needs a fresh challenge

no argument, they did... its unfortunate we came up short in the 2 big games



i know its football, but people said the same thing about everton for years. You cant hold back on change when the times right.



I think ole gunnar solskaer is taken



you know every well none of those would be considered....

maybe we could change the way people think and appoint a visionary like Phil Clarke.

Everton weren't going to change anything they were quite happy with a coach that had never won anything.

United were the ones that instigated the change. How has that change gone for them?

Everton have done well so far with a coach who at least has a track record of winning something but they look like they're going to have another Everton esque season, get lots of praise, up punching above their weight, miss out on a trophy, not quite Champions League material.



Who do you think realistically would be in the frame for being Warrington coach?

that was an example of a clubs fans that thought their current manager had taken as far as he could.... they were wrong (amazingly)

as good as smith has been, he hasn't delivered the big prize with the biggest backer in the domestic game... lets not pretend everything's rosy. We are on the decline and there is obviously something wrong... lets get one thing straight.. im not saying 'smith out'... im saying if it does happen then im not going to be crying about it... i have more faith in the people running our club than the person picking the team... and that will remain while Moran is in charge.



that doesn't really matter does it? thankfully my opinion has no effect on the decisions made by the brilliant people that run our rugby club.

we're 8th, haven't improved in years, our crowds are on the slide.... were nothing like everton in all fairness.

Exactly, you can't think of anybody better than TS that would realistically be available.

The brilliant people that run our rugby club won't be able to either, and so they will keep backing TS despite annoyance from fans for a season or two. Then hopefully with some good recruitment in the right places, we will be back on an upswing under TS.

TS is going to have to build his second generation Wire team. He inherited a core from Cullen that was ripe for 4-5 years of success, and he milked it better than Cullen would have.

People say now he should have slowly replaced them one by one but what was the point in moving guys like Briers, Hodgson on before they were finished? Should we move Westwood and Higham on now, to start "rebuilding" for the future?

10 years ago United under Fergie were in a similar position and there were questions asked about whether Fergie had started to lose it....he lost some key players from the Treble team and he was signing guys like Kleberson, Djemba Djemba and Bellion that weren't United quality. It took him probably 3/4 seasons to get to grips and build a new generation United team, during which time they were in the shadow of Arsenal and Chelsea. But he did rebuild it and they went on to be dominant again.

If TS wants to stay, I would have confidence that over a 5 year period he can rebuild a trophy-competing Wire team.

i stopped reading after this bit for obvious reasons.

my rugby league knowledge stretches to our home games and sky games..... so to use me as a yardstick against knowledge people that run a professional rugby league club is somewhat foolish.

the 'we we will go downhill after smith' mentality is a bit weak.

how did leeds do after he left?

Leeds did very well because they had a core of winning players and playmakers, Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire. This is what we don't have.

If you have a core of players in those positions of good enough quality, then you don't need to be a genius coach to win trophies. See Millward, McLennan, McDermott. Paul Cullen would have probably won SL with Leeds.

But we don't have them. The world class assets Warrington have are Simon Moran, Tony Smith, Chris Hill and Ben Westwood. You could point to all of them and say they have not delivered the Super League title and so argue to replace them but its easier to replace the parts of the club that aren't world class and leave those bits intact.

and only 2 of them are players.

for a side with the ability to spend maximum cap, and with as much money as you can shake a stick at for transfers... that's very poor and shows why we are where we are.

so out of the 4 world class assets which one would you view as most dispensable?

Westwood because of his age and because there are more good back rowers around so he would be easier to replace.

he's may favorite player

i don't like you anymore.

I wouldn't say Westwood is easily replaced. For me he seems to be the only player in our team that constantly runs his blood to water. Every game he gives it 110% and actually looks as though he is proud to pull on the P&B. After Westwood I'd say he's closely followed by Micky Higham and Simon Grix.

I find it very interesting that TS is always billed on here as a coaxing genius, whilst Wane is the clueless oaf. In his two years at the club he is already ahead of us in the silverware tally!

Part of the problem for me is we have never had the Champion mentality that is inherent in Leeds and Wigan.