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| Coote has played 3 games less than Ratchford as well. He hinders our attack and it was as clear as day on Friday.
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| Quote: Moe syslak "You've been repeating this ridiculous sentence for years. He IS NOT our best player!!(and the fact that you say he is kind of proves my point
I never said he was Moe our best, I most definitely did said he was one of our “best players” though.
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| Well he's got his hands on the ball a lot this season and as I've just highlighted he's done VERY little with it. That is in a team scoring lots of tries at the top end of the table. Praying Powell strips Hughes of the captaincy and him and Ratchford of starting roles. It'll make a huge difference.
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| Quote: Moe syslak "You've been repeating this ridiculous sentence for years. He IS NOT our best player!!(and the fact that you say he is kind of proves my point
Thewlis to fullback, Ashton to left wing and cover/bench player for Ratchford, is the way I see it.
If there is no significant improvement to Charnley, at the start of the season, then give Wrench a gig there and see how he goes.
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| I don’t think Powell will get along with Charnley. I think if a reasonable bid comes in he could make way. Minikin is the obvious choice for that spot, should my suspicions be right.
Ashton getting a new deal signifies that Powell has a plan for him, Thewlis for me has been more consistent than Ashton this season and is heir apparent to Fullback in my mind, so maybe Ashton has first dibs on the left wing.
Is there scope for Brand to come in? I’ve not seen much of Leigh but appeared to finish the season as fullback. Minikin won’t make the start of the season so there is a vacant spot somewhere.
That leaves Ratchford and Thewlis in a battle for fullback, which is a case of when not if Ratchford is displaced. No room for sentiment, Ratch has been great for us, but these calls need making at the right time, not when it’s too late.
The forwards pick themselves really. There’s not a lot and not especially high quality. But you pick Cooper, then pad around him with Mulhearn, Butler, Doro, Clark, Hughes and Harrison once fit. Likely that Currie and Holmes will be second rows with Dobson and Longstaff for cover.
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| Longstaff for cover? Be the first name on the teamsheet for me. He knocks Hughes and J Clark into a cocked hat.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire " Ratch has been great for us/quote]
No he hasn't.
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| I do think Ratchfords contributions have been underestimated at times, and I've been a vocal defender of his, but I do think now is the time to start ushering him towards the sidelines. I'd always find a place on the bench for him but it's time to.move on.
Thewlis, Ashton, Wrench, Doro and Longstaff need big close seasons and if they buy into the new regime then 2022 can be the start of long careers in the starting 17 for all of them.
Walker is another player who has improved hugely and I expect him to flourish under Powell, in the way McShane has.
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| Quote: Deus Dat Incrementum "I don't think anybody is questioning ratchfords ability RD but it is more about mental strength.
When Ratchford was penalised for an incorrect play the ball he was frustrated and during the next set of six he decides to stay in the defencive line so that he can get in the referees ear. He stays in the line and mickey Lewis spots it and goes over. World class fullbacks would just get on with their job, get back in position and do what the team needs them to do.
Straight from the restart Ratchford moves to hooker and gives away a penalty for a ball strip. OK Abdul missed that penalty but it could have been 8 points worth of mistakes in 2.mins.
The problem I have is the same as Chris Hill when a decision doesn't go their way. Instead of putting their hand up and the team pulling together to defend the next set after a mistake or being on the wrong end of a 50/50 call then it is shaking of the head and that look of disbelief at the decision. The senior players can question the ref but just get on with your job and encourage your team mates to defend your mistake.
You would never see the likes of Sinfield or Roby do that. They would just get on with it and their team mates would dig in. They don't try and solve the problem on their own. The team would solve the problem..
Some of the senior players have really let themselves down when it comes to mentality in crucial games spanning the Tony Smith and Steve Price era. We can't afford that to continue into the Powell era.'"
Absolutely spot on. Ratchford cost any possibility of getting back into that game, as we then panicked and went away from what we did to dominate the opening 15 minutes. Time to move on with Thewlis (not Ashton!) at FB. Hope Powell isn't a square peg in a round hole type of coach. Agree with other posters comments regarding Hughes and J Clark, we need players who offer more with ball in hand, as well as being able to defend.
One thing that I want Powell to do, is to re-ignite Daryl Clark, who has been extremely disappointing this season.
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| Quote: Moe syslak "
Not overly fair or accurate, given his selection in multiple Rep squads during his time with us. Some may not necessarily like him, but you surely can’t dispute his effort for this club.
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| Quote: ratticusfinch "Longstaff for cover? Be the first name on the teamsheet for me. He knocks Hughes and J Clark into a cocked hat.'"
I agree on the Longstaff front, I’ve been calling for him to start for about 6 weeks now. But Holmes is Powell’s man, he’s not coming here to be on the bench. And Currie is our best second row by a considerable distance. Unless Powell see’s Longstaff as a middle player, he will be in reserve (which may be needed early in the season should Holmes not be fit on arrival)
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| I've always thought Currie would make a very good loose. Back three of Longstaff, Holmes and Currie would be pretty tasty.
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| Quote: Deus Dat Incrementum "I don't think anybody is questioning ratchfords ability RD but it is more about mental strength.
When Ratchford was penalised for an incorrect play the ball he was frustrated and during the next set of six he decides to stay in the defencive line so that he can get in the referees ear. He stays in the line and mickey Lewis spots it and goes over. World class fullbacks would just get on with their job, get back in position and do what the team needs them to do.
Straight from the restart Ratchford moves to hooker and gives away a penalty for a ball strip. OK Abdul missed that penalty but it could have been 8 points worth of mistakes in 2.mins.
The problem I have is the same as Chris Hill when a decision doesn't go their way. Instead of putting their hand up and the team pulling together to defend the next set after a mistake or being on the wrong end of a 50/50 call then it is shaking of the head and that look of disbelief at the decision. The senior players can question the ref but just get on with your job and encourage your team mates to defend your mistake.
You would never see the likes of Sinfield or Roby do that. They would just get on with it and their team mates would dig in. They don't try and solve the problem on their own. The team would solve the problem..
Some of the senior players have really let themselves down when it comes to mentality in crucial games spanning the Tony Smith and Steve Price era. We can't afford that to continue into the Powell era.'"
This hits the nail on the head and sums up why I get frustrated when every season we have loads of posts on here blowing smoke up the booties of our senior players. Good players yes (good rather than great), leaders/winners no. You can have a winning side if you have some of these types of players around a core of Peacock, Sinfield, Burrow, JJB but if they are your core you have a problem.
There is literally nobody in our squad who really stands out as a leader, and it has been like this for about 6 years now. It was a problem throughout all the Price era.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "I’ve been labelled as a bitter Smith fanatic and a doom monger re
This was pretty much my position too at the time when everyone was calling for TS to go. It's not just a case of "the old guy has gone stale, bring in any new guy and we'll turn things around". Around the same time you had the same situation with Arsene Wenger at Arsenal and look what happened to them.
It seemed like from our recruitment round that Price was about our 3rd choice as other options were taken off the table. His record as a head coach at St George-Illawarra wasn't good, so the omens weren't great. Overall, I think 3 finals and 1 trophy is better than I was expecting when we appointed Price. It's better than I'm expecting at this point from Powell.
I think the big difference between now and the era when we were bringing in Johns, Morley and King is the practicalities: less favourable exchange rate, Aus salary cap bigger, Brexit (and now covid) making it less attractive to join a club across the world. It's not just about ambition, these are practical hurdles.
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| Quote: ratticusfinch "I've always thought Currie would make a very good loose. Back three of Longstaff, Holmes and Currie would be pretty tasty.'"
That's my favourite back row combination at the club for 2022. Pace, aggression and also good hands from Currie.
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