It was just one of those days. We were a bit unlucky, and Salford threw a bit too much shape at us.

Patton is a complete passenger

What does he try at? Being a rugby player. He makes to many simple errors and gifts possession back too easily.

Livett and Atkins have to be replaced by mamo/king and lineham for starters

Can't offer an alternative to replace Patton. As poor as ratchford has been, not sure I'd move him

Anyone got the stats for today? errors, penalties etc. I reckon you could counts Salfords on one hand, our would need centipede's toes.

Hope it was just one of those days. We will know in a few weeks if this is just a blip or not. I suspect it is and we'll still be in 2nd after Magic.

It’s down to attitude. Like the saints game- we have the players but our players don’t have the attitude. Let’s be honest here: on paper, I’d say man for man we have the best side in SL. But it requires each player to give at least 80%.
Saints game, our back 3 (11, 12 and 13) got completely out enthused. I thought Hilly, Clark and Coops did well against the saints front 3. Hughes and Currie were, however, completely dominated by Knowles, seb and Peyroux, and Matty Lees when he came on.
The players really need to get their s in gear. But I’m not sure if/when it’ll happen. Price needs to do do a Shaun Wayne- take no . Move the players who aren’t performing out to the reserves and make a statement.

Our problem is like he CC and GF...we think we've won the game while still in the changing room before kickoff.

Imagine the response had Murphy got at them at ht.

(Sorry to post immediately after the last one).

For me, it’s pure complacency. After the Hull game, I thought this is our time. But once again, familiar story with Wire- our players must be revelling in the victory. Saints hammered us. They could have stuck 50 on us. Our players thought they’d only have to turn up and arrive in Stockton Heath for a few pints (after the win?!) like Salford today, our players weren’t that interested. They weren’t playing for the Wire badge. With that fantastic following we had saints- the players let us down big time. No-one minds losing. It’s the manner of defeat though.
Pricey has been good so far- he seems a good bloke. But I do worry that our players couldn’t be d to put the effort in v Salford. Especially after a crap performance v saints.

I'm wondering I'd SP is becoming like Cullen....too close to the players. Too matey

As has been said, it’s still nailed on for a Saints Vs Wire Grand Final and this is just a blip. However, Patton at 7 could end up costing you a bit like Richardson cost us. He’s a poor player who shouldn’t be anywhere near a team trying to win a Grand Final. Having the likes of Lama Tasi, BMM and Livett won’t help either but when you have quality like Clark and Austin you should be fine.

I think you’re overestimating the quality of your squad and underestimating the attitude of your squad, if that makes sense. I suppose we’re always likely to disagree on this but for me our squad is better than yours especially with the front row we have. For the top quality players you’ve got (Clark, Austin, Charnley etc) you’ve got the likes of Lama Tasi, Patton, BMM, Livett and one or two others who are all average players imo. When you have that many average players you’re relying on your better players to play at the best which isn’t going to happen every week. I imagine you’ll go and put about 50 on Hull Kr now.

A fit BMM is quality. I could be wrong here, but I’m more than happy with Currie, Hughes and Westwood/Clark as our back 3. They just need a rocket boost up their backsides. Currie is still recovering though. If he regains anywhere near his old form-he’s the best back row in the comp. He’s tough, strong and handling skills of a half back.

We just need a rocket boost.

(By the way, saints look the real deal. Coote- really, really good signing)

Not sure if this is right but what I watched yesterday reminded me a lot of the Latter Tony Smith era at our club. I think for Price to really succeed he needs to get rid of a lot of them players from that time and completely build his own squad. The thing is who would you keep and who would you move on. A lot of the debate is aimed at Patton which I do agree with but there are a lot of players in this current squad who I think are just going through the motions.