Fair point GHF, I was thinking about his driving the ball up at the time and not defence wise.

I've had my fill now of him. I've given him all year and he is frankly dire. I can't believe he ever captained NZ. Never has a man shirked hard work as much as he does for a front row forward.

I'll say this again too.. Anthony England and Paul Wood are WELL below the standard for any top 4 side.

On the other hand how tough was Trent last night?

Roy was crap last night, at one point, he was running backwards better than he did forwards, adn then got drove back 15 metres,

Ineffective is a polite way to describe his performance. Following the injury to harrison and woody looking way off the pace, it was calling for a big effort off the bench and he only came on late, he had at least 30-35 minutes sat down, he could have come on and bloody skittled people, but no.

Compare that with Moz and that game against wigan with his knackered eye

When you compare any prop to moz they need to be special. Perhaps I seen it wrong. He looked a handful to me and drawn in 4 or 5 defenders with his drives.
Perhaps the occasion got to much for me and I didn't see the bigger picture.

Trent was everywhere last night, great performance....not bad for a lazy coward.

Look on the bright side, only another 30 odd games to go and he's gone.

Have to agree with the comments raised on both Aso'lazy' and Paul Wood.

You have to ask yourself the question, would this pair get into the Stains or Pies line-ups?!

Big Roy would probably suit the Wigan robotic structure for forwards!

Thought Roy went ok last night. The one thing I'll give England is he is enthusiastic. At least he's putting the 100% in, and I think critics are being overly harsh. Wood on the other hand looks completely useless.

Spot on.Think Woody needs to go + England should step up to the plate when he get chances which he doesn't seem to be doing + think i've said enough on Asotasi in previous threads so no point in wasting any more internet space on him.

Apologies for going off thread a bit, as I didn't want to start a new thread just about him, but one guy who was seemingly talked about last season much more than this season is the other Ben who we really need now to step up and play, Ben Currie. I know he is still young but focussed as we are on our pack resources at the moment what are people's thoughts on his development this season?

I dont think I've been more disappointed with a junior coming through the ranks than Ben Currie. I haven't seen a single asset that makes me think Oh he's good.

He doesn't break tackles, he doesn't run through gaps, he doesn't smash people in defence, he doesn't put players through gaps with nice passing. He doesn't't Offload, and he has average pace for a back rower.

It won't sit well with people because he's only 19 - 20 and filled in well enough for Trent in the ten game run.

But I think the boy is rubbish. its just my opinion and no one has to agree. But I fully expect his names will be in one of Sallys post when bagging us all when we are taking about the next big prospect in the academy set up.

Oh and Roy ....... Hes bad. ... He made a decent run on 70 minutes.....seventy minutes. ..
To quote Darryl Brohman.... His wife should be embarrassed for him.

Asotasi is the worst signing I have ever seen us make. He is garbage. When you finish the game with asotasi and wood, two props who only run sideways, it doesn't bode well. Absolutely sure, get rid

Must admit, watching the game last night I dont notice that if Roy found himself in a defensive tackle his first thoughts appeared to be "how do I get out of here and get back 10+" rather than "nobody else here, better step up and play marker".