Better than Cameron Smith and Danny Buderus in his prime? How wouldn't have come to Super League if that was true.

Just looking at the Wigan games, Roby has been the best player who has played against us this season along with Scott Dureau.

Monaghan is obviously like an extra half-back and has a good kicking game but Roby is a much better runner of the ball and one of the best defenders in super league.

My personal opinion is that I would rather have Roby in my team because if you have two quality half-backs (which I don't believe Warrington have) then you shouldn't need a player like Monaghan at hooker. I would probably also rather have Roby just because he is British..... he was produced off the St Helens production line which is probably why the fans love him so much.

I should say I didn't start this thread, my original post up there was inside another thread and the mods have split it off. It looks like I was deliberately trying to bait Saints fans into an argument by starting a controversial thread.

Always irritating when the mods do that.

Anyway what do you guys think of Atkins v Shenton.....

Sorry Sally i'll hold my hands up, it looked like the other thread was going off on a different tangent.

Stat wise Roby is incredible this season. Compared to Monaghan:

3 more tries
3 more assists
139% more metres
4 more offloads
20 more tackle busts
33 more marker tackles
240 more tackles
7 more clean breaks
4 fewer missed tackles
1 fewer penalties conceeded
1 fewer yellow cards

I'd have Roby out of the two. Fantastic player, who I thought was a lot better than Cunningham for the last couple of years.

There you have the fundamental difference.

Why has Monaghan done so much less work than Roby defensively? Has Monaghan escaped due to playing in the halves? Is he spelled a lot?

I think the SL stats site really needs to add minutes on the field and the ability to break the stats down per minute or per 80 minutes etc.

I'm assuming this title was written by someone who works for the SUN.

The great debate....?????

Maybe more of a passing thought before being trapped in the swirling votex of a singularity.

The great debate for me would have been will Rangi chase keep up his form to match the high consistency of Roby.
Roby the next Saints Captain for me.

Atkins looks like one of the Passedenas, and Shenton looks like that camp politcal columnist Andrew Pierce from the Telegraph and Daily Mail, who's always on Breakfast

back on thread

We're gonna say Monaghan, Stains fans are gonna say Roby
and who gives one, what PieMunchers think (if they can think, that is)

If Roby was really that good he would have been in the NRL not in Super League.

both are rubbish.

Nobody runs at Monaghan thats why.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

Stats don't always paint a big picture

Roby has over 2 and a half times more Carries (297 more) and scoots from DH (257 more) yet only 20 more tackle bursts and 4 more offloads.

Just shows contrasting styles with the same effectiveness.