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Quote: rubber duckie "Cooper…I did say backrower (not 2nd rower), transitioned into a prop.
Cooper was playing at 13. Being a third mobile prop or loose, makes no difference, my point is about pack size.

3 Cooper’s playing for Wire at the same time would absolutely smash the current SL out of sight, (there does seem to be a prop drought, only Saints Huddersfield and Catalan seem to have the prop cards).
2 Cooper’s would have us dominant or on par with the current top 3 clubs this season .
1 Copper with another light prop/backrower…well here we are.

Cooper is a great prop, no question about it. Packs win games, not wether Cooper is classed as an out and out prop, or as I say, a transitional prop, somewhere in between a prop and a backrower.
The weight in the pack is so important and can help carry light backs to do their thing, but my angle has always been a big good un, always beats a good small un.

The reason we smashed Saints in 2019, is because our team across from wing to wing, out sized them. So much was the difference, Saints made error upon error.'"

In fact, here are the two teams for you.
1 Stefan Ratchford Fullback 23 Lachlan Coote
2 Tom Lineham Wing 2 Tommy Makinson
3 Bryson Goodwin Centre 3 Kevin Naiqama
18 Toby King Centre 4 Mark Percival
5 Josh Charnley Wing 5 Regan Grace
11 Ben Currie Stand-off 1 Jonny Lomax
15 Declan Patton Scrum-half 6 Theo Fages
8 Chris Hill Prop 8 Alex Walmsley
9 Daryl Clark Hooker 9 James Roby
10 Mike Cooper Prop 10 Luke Thompson
13 Ben Murdoch-Masila Second-row 11 Zeb Taia
12 Jack Hughes Second-row 17 Dominique Peyroux
14 Jason Clark Loose forward 15 Morgan Knowles
19 Sitaleki Akauola interchange 13 Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook
17 Joe Philbin interchange 16 Kyle Amor
23 Matthew Davis interchange 20 Jack Ashworth
22 Jake Mamo interchange 12 Joseph Paulo

I've highlighted the forwards who are currently considered "not big enough" and also included mike cooper off the back of this.

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "I'm gonna call your bluff on this one.

Can you please back up that statement, with evidence, and please show your working out.'"

Almost every player on that day was 6ft plus from wing to wing.
We put weighted them I think on all 13 positions but Warmsley.

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "In fact, here are the two teams for you.
1 Stefan Ratchford Fullback 23 Lachlan Coote
2 Tom Lineham Wing 2 Tommy Makinson
3 Bryson Goodwin Centre 3 Kevin Naiqama
18 Toby King Centre 4 Mark Percival
5 Josh Charnley Wing 5 Regan Grace
11 Ben Currie Stand-off 1 Jonny Lomax
15 Declan Patton Scrum-half 6 Theo Fages
8 Chris Hill Prop 8 Alex Walmsley
9 Daryl Clark Hooker 9 James Roby
10 Mike Cooper Prop 10 Luke Thompson
13 Ben Murdoch-Masila Second-row 11 Zeb Taia
12 Jack Hughes Second-row 17 Dominique Peyroux
14 Jason Clark Loose forward 15 Morgan Knowles
19 Sitaleki Akauola interchange 13 Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook
17 Joe Philbin interchange 16 Kyle Amor
23 Matthew Davis interchange 20 Jack Ashworth
22 Jake Mamo interchange 12 Joseph Paulo'"


Jack Hughes actually played the 6 not Currie.

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Btw FMC, I didn’t say Cooper isn’t big enough, I said the pack isn’t big enough. Give me 2/3/4/5 Cooper’s all day long. Just don’t give me a front row Cooper and a Hughes!

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Quote: rubber duckie "Btw FMC, I didn’t say Cooper isn’t big enough, I said the pack isn’t big enough. Give me 2/3/4/5 Cooper’s all day long. Just don’t give me a front row Cooper and a Hughes!'"

How does that equate to “ Cooper has been found out”? That is a turnaround of Johnsonesque proportions (Boris not Samuel).

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My take on the2019 CC Final was that our defence stood up manfully & wouldn't let Saints play their usual game. If Saints had got into their stride they could have had a big score.

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Nah, 2019 was a dodgy ref, Sir Eamon told us all in his programme notes if you remember..

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Quote: Captain Hook "How does that equate to “ Cooper has been found out”? That is a turnaround of Johnsonesque proportions (Boris not Samuel).'"

Found out….
Cooper cannot carry a front row of him and a backrower, the same way Warmsley can. Although my remark was misleading. We have been found out I ought to have posted.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Jack Hughes actually played the 6 not Currie.'"


Hughes was named at 6 but Currie played in that position right from the start of the game if memory serves.

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Quote: St Helens Wolf "Hughes was named at 6 but Currie played in that position right from the start of the game if memory serves.'"

It was the other way around

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this was the official team list that i've pulled from the net, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things to the point i was asking duckie to expand on. (which he hasn't)

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "this was the official team list that i've pulled from the net, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things to the point i was asking duckie to expand on. (which he hasn't)'"

I did. I said the post you copied was incorrect.
I also stand by what I said. ‘Almost every player in the 13 was over 6” (bar Patton) and bigger than the opposite number (bar Warmsley, who was unfit from injury)’.
I’m not going into digging up to prove my point to you FMC. I did the research on the day of the final prior to the match, I know it to be correct. Why don’t you prove me wrong?
I knew we couldn’t lose that day.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Almost every player on that day was 6ft plus from wing to wing.
We put weighted them I think on all 13 positions but Warmsley.'"
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Joe Philbin - 5ft 10"
Jake Mamo - 5ft 10"
Matthew Davis - 5ft 10"

I did not include Patton. (only 5ft 8"icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Harrow inn "Joe Philbin - 5ft 10"
Jake Mamo - 5ft 10"
Matthew Davis - 5ft 10"

I did not include Patton. (only 5ft 8"icon_wink.gif'"

So what does that have to do with buying a prop…,or the starting 13?
Do you ever read a post?

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