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| Quote: rubber duckie "GF uke...
Turned out nice again'"
Flukein bad form to mess with other people's quotes RD
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| Quote: Snaggletooth "I guess the questioning and I am one of those asking is why he (TS) hasn't got the recruitment/transition right over the last couple of seasons.
Yes he has brought success seen previously only once in a generation. However, once achieving the heights and with the considerable backing of the club and owner, he should not have been masterminding a team slipping away in the way we have.
We should have achieved the holy grail, which numpty Hemmings constantly reminds the world of.
The only thing that matters now is winning the GF Wembley and a CC win is only consolation.'"
Several years ago the buzzword for RL clubs was sustainability. So club income balances expenditure and there is no need for a sugar daddy to support the club - that would be a fine gift from SM if he could bequeath it to his successor. But if he has to spend an additional £750,000 on players each year it's not achievable. So the obvious answer is to grow your own. Bring in kids from the local area, add a few promising one's from outside and hey presto you have a constant stream of replacements for the retiring superstars. That's why we have such a big emphasis on our youth system and why for example, you are seeing all the local clubs appearing at the HJ for each home game.
Now cast your mind back to 2013. We made no signings at all, but coming through from the U20's were Glen Riley, Ryan Shaw, Danny Bridge, James Saltonstall, Jordan Burke, Jack Morrison, James Mxndeika,Gavin Benion. They were on our professional books after completing the last year of their U20's.
In 2014 we signed Penny, England, Asotasi and Russell. No major signing fees there, although Asotasi would certainly take a big chunk of the SC. Departing were Morley, Carvell, Cooper, Briers and Hodgson (amongst others). In accounting speak, the debit side of the equation was loaded heavily compared to the credit.
In 2015 we signed Simms, Wheeler and Clark. One costly signing and two quality players came in. We lost Waterhouse and Michael Monaghen. Also notable amongst the younger kids, we released Riley, Bennion, Burke, Saltonstall, Bridge, Tom Walker. By the end of 2015 we were also to lose Joel Monaghen, Chris Bridge, Simon Grix and Paul Wood - all pretty much worn out from the demands of a tough SL career. 2015 was a disaster on the pitch with Leigh taunting TS that they would see us in the middle 8's, a mid table finish, and only the season ticket holders preventing our attendance figure falling further than -7%. I guess SJM probably decided that something drastic would have to be done very early into 2015 and we saw that unfold during the dog days of the season. The whole club was turned upside down, but most importantly we spent money on new high quality players.
The above are the facts, the rest is my supposition. We ( SJM & TS) were expecting our youngsters to come through, and so spent very little replacing the ageing stars that had kept us in the top four for several years. Somebody took a decision that we didn't need to replace the likes of Morley, Carvel et al because we had enough quality coming through. That could have been SJM insisting that paying for a new squad each year was simply not possible. It could have been TS insisting that his youngsters were definitely good enough and that the likes of eg. GOB would replace Briers in a couple of years. Perhaps we will never know who actually called the shots, but I have my suspicions.
The above is all a bit simplistic of course. I suspect we did search high and low for a new Briers. And 2015 was complicated by the bad feeling caused by the 'Higham incident' and back room bickering, but I don't think all of the above is too far away from reality. Fortunately we have been allowed a fresh start. Lets hope that we have learned from past mistakes and in future we maintain the quality of our squad through a balance of the youth system and buying- in. It would also be sensible to maintain a balance in the age group range of the squad so that we don't see all the stars departing in a year or two of one another.
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| Quote: Captain Hook "Flukein bad form to mess with other people's quotes RD'"
Ruddy Ek, wind your neck in.
A chance posting of the letters "uke GF" went completely over your head.
George Formby (GF) uke (ukelele)
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Ruddy Ek, wind your neck in.
A chance posting of the letters "uke GF" went completely over your head.
George Formby (GF) uke (ukelele)'"
For what it's worth I "got it" but my point stands.
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| I think we should move heaven and earth to get Sinfield at the club in ANY capacity, even if they decide to open up rugby tots here, get the guy at the club.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "I think we should move heaven and earth to get Sinfield at the club in ANY capacity, even if they decide to open up rugby tots here, get the guy at the club.'"
This is a good call.
However, I think Leeds will be right now drawing up his contract
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| Quote: Moving Forward "Can anyone tell me what he has done over the previous three years to warrant a contract extension? Don't get me wrong I do like Smith but it just seems a strange decision based on the past couple of seasons. He hasn't won a trophy for three years and we give him two more years, would the top teams settle for that standard of trophy winnings?'"
He's just started something again so needs to see it through. He also made mistakes in the previous two seasons to this one and needs to be given the time to rectify them.
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| On Smith...i think he played Wire like a fiddle.
No CC win or GF appearance and i want him gone that simple.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "On Smith...i think he played Wire like a fiddle.
No CC win or GF appearance and i want him gone that simple.'"
Who would you replace him with?
Despite his shortcomings I would not want any other present SL coach.
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| In SL the ONLY coach i would even consider is Powell, not that i want him but the only one from here.
I would go with the Walker brothers from the Jets if i had my way
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| 'No Regrets' or 'The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore' ?
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| Quote: Captain Hook "For what it's worth I "got it" but my point stands.'"
It's worth as much as the context I put it in.
It was neither your quote either. I used reference of your quote that was put into a public domain and altered it for my purpose so then it was my quote.
Chill out man. Problems galore in the world and you don't seem willing to share a little lighthearted humour with your forum buddies.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "On Smith...i think he played Wire like a fiddle.
No CC win or GF appearance and i want him gone that simple.'"
Sorry Yed I disagree, I don't think that's "simple".
Sure he may have made a mistake (who hasn't) in succession planning and recruitment maybe trying to win the GF with the old guard one last hoorah etc but I'm up for seeing what this team can do over the next two years as I think he's sorting it out
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| I think his recruitment this season has been spot on, it addressed many of the problems, leadership perhaps being the biggest.
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| i wasnt happy last season with him... and it wasn't just based on last season... i think he got lazy and the club declined and suffered as a result.
if we had got rid, i wouldn't have been upset.
HOWEVER, i think he has recruited well and he deserves a chance to put things right. I'm not going to call for his head if we dont win a cup this season.... as long as i can see progress im happy.
in my opinion, in the past he has signed very badly from the NRL.... But Gidley and Sandow are the real deal..... im not sure they couldn't have been signed without smith though, and i wonder whop calls the shots at our club signing wise.
This new contract may appear premature, as we haven't been great under him for years now... but im optimistic for this season and im happy with him extending now i think.
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