Why because you such and expert it would take up all your time writing a thesis on it and wasting it on us and then miss out on the 18:00 at Newmarket, i bet what you know about bi-polar could be written on half a betting slip in permanent marker.

manic depression is bi polar disorder, hth


people make decisions in life, some good, some bad, some have an impact on ones mental health.
to call some one a disgrace however is a tad out of order imo.

making bad choices is to be human.

to stand in judgement kinda implies you've never made a wrong decission in your life. true you may not have made the same mistakes as MG but does that give you the right to make such harsh comments.

1/3 people will suffer from mental illness at one time or another which at times makes the choices people make i life appear less rational or thought through.

let he without sin and all that!

Cracking post.I have suffered from an anxiety/stress related illness for almost 20yrs resisting the temptation to take medication as i know some of the drugs have horrible side effects but that's not to say they don't work for everyone.I just choose to fight mine by running but even that can only help it to an extent.Anyone who has this type of illness has my full sympathy.

heres a random Wiganer posting a story.

All Martins stress started around the time o the Blackmail story that was freely printed by the Media.
What followed , is common knowledge in Wigan (not the club).......but the "common Knowledge" isnt something to be posted on here.
And im not the least bit surprised hes suffering from stress.
There are plenty people know "the real reason"........they just choose not to post anything that could get RLFans in trouble.


AND.......congratulations mods on keeping this thread open, as the Wigan mods have........ive no idea why it isny discussable on the Hull board

wpm signing off..

I have a lot of respect for anybody that plays rugby league at any level. I wish him the best of luck. He has an awful lot of ability and like so many people in all walks of life has chosen to make some pretty bad decisions along the way mainly because his head has not been in the right place. A small insight is highlighted in some of the pictures on the Perpignan 2006 thread. I think Paul Cullen had too much respect for players like Briers and Gleeson based on pure ability rather than the correct attitude. he has probably had people telling him how brilliant he is since he was playing under 8's. Tony smith obviously had his card marked from day one and I have a lot more respect for Lee Briers these days for the way he has appeared to use Tony smiths guidance to improve himself.
I hope he comes through it and ends up in a better place.

I know there isn't a distinction in the terms. I was using the medical term and the outdated more recognisable term I assumed that was obvious. Never mind.

I know full well about mental illness and certianly don't need you preaching to me about it. That is why I know that even in mental illness it is never excusable to commit certain actions.


I bet you believe Chris Benoit shouldn't be judged for killing his family because he had a mental condition. People make mistakes and I understand why they do them but there should be no excuse for committing them. I know this as well as anybody.

You cite a good example with the warrington SC issue however, MG has had a track record of making mistakes. He has certainly been given many chances in his career and he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him.

Also, what you say about MG's success is true to an extent. Gleeson, as you said, should have been the best centre in the league, who was also at the best team (in Sts) he threw that away and came to Wire where he didn't win anything. There is a good chance that Wigan will win something this year and he will miss out as Hull probably won't even make the playoffs. He has missed out on many medals he by rights should have won. You ask what people expect of him. I think people expect him to reach his potential which he hasn't done.


However, as I have said, my overwriting hope for Gleeson is that he can sort himself out and get the help he needs. A spotty past does not mean a spotty future.

I genuinely hope that Martin take a good look at himself now, as a person, not a player. He's a fantastic player, but he, like every man alive has made a lot of mistakes. Granted he's made a few catastrophic ones but, given the money he has been paid, the punishment he has put his body through and constantly being in the public eye, I think I would have sought a 'release' aswel!

I hope, from a humane viewpoint, he is alright. The last thing the world needs is another scenario like the tragic Terry Newton story. A man who paid the ultimate sacrifice for making a few bad choices.

Let's hope he can get back on track, and find a productive role within the game, because he has bags of ability, and English RL could learn a lot from him to aid development of the Arundel's and Watkins' of our competition. Just as NSW are using Joey, a class act with a 'colourful' past

Whatever Gleesons problems are I hope he sorts them out and does what he does best, play rugby.

Always enjoyed watching him in P+B

What a player he is though. World class.

I certainly wouldn't call him wasted potential. He's played for two of the biggest clubs in rugby league and won a grand final at each of them. Not to mention he's represented his country.

Bad apple, yes. Wasted potential, no.

All the internet "false truths" that Sally eloquently referred to is summed-up in this one paragraph.

Perhaps jdrocket can list all these examples out?

My recollection is as follows:

Huddersfield - top young player who left a relegated club to move to a top team.

St Helens - victimised after being naive and winning the grand sum of £400 because he knew more than the bookies (he was one of few Saints players who actually backed-up and played in the Bradford game - and was probably Saints best on that day). Severely punished by his club who then agree a deal with Warrington and tell Gleeson they want him to go.

Warrington - tells the club he wants to go to Australia to play. Warrington persaude him to stay for another year with the promise he will be released for free from his contract then. In the meantime new coach arrives who doesn't want Gleeson in his squad and Wigan offer derious cash and a player new coach wants. Warrington tell him to talk to Wigan.

Wigan - scores in the club's lazarus like rise to Super League champions but then admittedly lets them down due to chaotic circumstances of his dealings outside of rugby.

Hull - turns their form around from the moment he signs. None of us know what his current problems actually are.

So where are all the examples of the "many chances in his career (that) he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him"

Here, Here and so far he has left (of sorts) Hull amidst some speculation.

As I have said, I am not privvy to these internet rumours. I just know he has been "kicked out of" two clubs after being there for a very short time, amidst very suspicious circumstances and controversy. He was given the opportunity to play for the best team in the league TWICE and threw it away both times. You can trivialise what he has done. Saying he only did a bit of drink driving or only bet a little bit, i suppose that is for your conscience.

Now I feel we are just treading old ground here and I will leave with I just hope he recovers now.

As proved again , more lockage :icon_smile.gif


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