It's not too bad, when you actually reach the slip road , but it's the getting there. I took the "long cut" @ 745, through the edge of Oakwood (and lived) and came out at Moss Gate (opposite Morris + Spottiswood) and looked down where I would have come from, and it was nose to tail. These light cause huge jams

They are a pain in the , agreed. I've emailed. What good it will do, who knows!?

good on ya, Wirefan. Hopefully a few more of us will e-mail, and MAYBE they'll listen (not holding my breath tho)

I've been going that way too lefty.

I cant begin to imagine what made the highways people have the lights off for a full 12 months then randomly turn them on again!

I reckon theres a big red button with a sticker that says "DO NOT PRESS" and some Joey just couldnt resist pressing it and now we are all shafted every morning.

whats worse with this queue is the car traffic goes either left to Liverpool or right to Manchester while the HGV's go straight on to the landfill... so why does some jerk think
"I dont know why these people are queuing here i'm going to stay in the left lane...oh dear it appears i'm going to the landfill site please may I cut in....?"

No you may not...

Speaking of s cutting in.. Do either of you come home via the 602 of an evening? The junction for the Eccles interchange coming back to Warrington is the worst pain in the anal passage I have ever known on a motorway. Where the 3 lanes go to two on the right (to Warrington/Liverpool M62) and one filter on the left (to Leeds / Bolton / Trafford etc. M60)...
Certain s happily continue in their merry way down the centre lane, past what must be 200 cars in a que on the inside lane and then think it's acceptable to just stop dead at the point where the junction veers off to the 60 and wait to be allowed in, sitting there with their left hand indicator on like they just forgot it was their turn off. Does my ing head in every single night.

What the HWA should do is put number plate recognition cameras in place. Fair do's if someone does it once or twice in error. I accept there may be people not local who probably dont realise how that junction is designed, but persistent offenders should be.. hung or something.

You've read my mind, WireFan. When I pass these MotherLovers going home, I sound my horn repeatedly, and have the tip of my thumb and first finger touching. I then shake my hand at them very fast at them. These MotherLovers mainly drive certain expensive German saloon cars and white commercial vehicles.

LOL, well I have an Audi A6 which kinda implicates there me somewhat, though I do as you do with the old horn thing - If only the hord buttons were rocket launchers eh!. I dont know who I'm more annoyed at, the pricks cutting in or the softies letting them do it.

This should have been point one on the grind gears thread for me.

They tend to be mainly A4 drivers, pal
I've just got an e-mail back acknowledging my issue. Let's see, eh

Can Goldblatt and biscuit please keep quiet about "long-cuts". That way is already increasing in popularity by the day.

If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em

I've given up on cars now. Big motorbikes are the way forward, just weave in and out of traffic like it isn't there. Even DSA approve of filtering. Plus road tax is much cheaper and my 130bhp Triumph gives me all the performance I'll ever need for < £8k.

Am landscaping the subways and underpasses, just at the end of M602.

Legendary typo

you wanna try the east lancs (a580) in the morning! luckily for me i'm traveling out of manchester, the joys of night shifts, but some mornings it's backed up to the greyhound pub going into manchester at 0830am!