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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Didn't Ben Flower literally end Lance Hohaia's career? .. Cmon,
Flowers punch was landed with 3 times the force on a guy who was already concussed on the floor from the tackle.

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Quote: Sparky1967 "Cmon,
Flowers punch was landed with 3 times the force on a guy who was already concussed on the floor from the tackle.'"


I think the point was that a punch can also end someone's career, not specifically Dudson's.

But I generally agree with your point. I'd rather be on the receiving end of a Duson punch than a Knowles hip drop.

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Quote: The Reaper "Nothing wrong with the tackle imo'"


Paul Wellens says “Hope you don’t mind, but I’ve copy&pasted you into my email to the RFL”.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I tend to agree. I've watched it numerous times and I'm struggling to see any malice in the tackle. Looks like Cooper turning at an odd angle while being 2 man tackled, Lussick then makes it a 3 man tackle, which, by doing so, leaves Knowles with nowhere to go but on the back of Cooper as he falls.

What I do find pretty bemusing with these disciplinary charges, is that the RFL appear to be turning a blind eye now to cheap head shots (see Singleton in the same game), while going after players for what could easily be argued are accidental injuries which are inevitable to happen in a contact sport where you can have upto 3 players carrying out a challenge.

Maybe players would be advised to just take out a player with a straight arm to the head, rather than involve themselves in a multiple player tackle?'"

A couple of Warrington lads have been suggesting that Cooper will drop out of the game for the last couple of weeks.

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Pretty drastic of Michael to tear all his knee ligaments and probably end his career just to avoid playing us.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Pretty drastic of Michael to tear all his knee ligaments and probably end his career just to avoid playing us.'"


Had he been ok think he would of had a monster game.

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i remember that happening, cos he dropped the ball, knowles again.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Pretty drastic of Michael to tear all his knee ligaments and probably end his career just to avoid playing us.'"


He didn't tear them. Scummy Knowles did. Regardless of our views on Cooper's contributions last season, I'm sure we all agree no player deserves this. Will Knowles be banned? It's a shame the perpetrator can't be banned as long as the victim.

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As an aside, what's with the prevalence of arms round necks as players go to ground. Seem to be overlooked all the time. Grunt is one thing, but wrenching on necks another.

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Genuine request here. Could someone please explain the hip drop tackle technique and what the player is doing deliberately amd illegally when carrying one out?

Don't want to get too much 'the game's gome soft', but RL has always been a game played on the edge, where injuries can be picked up, so I'm just curious about that fine line between a tackle being deliberately carried out with intent to injure.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Genuine request here. Could someone please explain the hip drop tackle technique and what the player is doing deliberately amd illegally when carrying one out?

Don't want to get too much 'the game's gome soft', but RL has always been a game played on the edge, where injuries can be picked up, so I'm just curious about that fine line between a tackle being deliberately carried out with intent to injure.'"


The defender swings round the back of the player being tackled and uses his lower half weight (hence the hip 'drop') to force the attacking players legs to buckle due to weight behind them. The problem is that the attacking players leg/s can get trapped as they buckle. It's useful for bringing a player to the floor quickly, since they clamped down on cannonball tackles a while back. They can still result in nasty injuries though.

EDIT: I'm not sure of the 'illegality' issue as I haven't seen the exact guidance on what's acceptable and what is not.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Genuine request here. Could someone please explain the hip drop tackle technique and what the player is doing deliberately amd illegally when carrying one out?

Don't want to get too much 'the game's gome soft', but RL has always been a game played on the edge, where injuries can be picked up, so I'm just curious about that fine line between a tackle being deliberately carried out with intent to injure.'"


I'll have a go, but im in a rush.

It started with Rob Parker for us many moons ago.

Essentially, picture someone trying to get on your back for a piggy back and failing.

They fall to thr floor, they have two way, one they fall keeping hold of you(you're now carrying their weight on your upper body,) and their body falls onto your legs and ankles behind, causing you ankle to bend and knee ligaments to go with it.

Thats roughly what philbin did on Saturday.

Option two is similar, the Knowles on cooper (an others) that he has gone off the side still goy hold of the upper body and gone to the floor, pulling him to the side, the centre of gravity is below his knee but something has to give so his knee bends inwards/sideways and ligaments get torn.

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Have a look at the two explanations, and watch the Cooper vid, watch knowles body a couple of times then watch coops knee, then try and flex your knee in that direction

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Quote: easyWire "The defender swings round the back of the player being tackled and uses his lower half weight (hence the hip 'drop') to force the attacking players legs to buckle due to weight behind them. The problem is that the attacking players leg/s can get trapped as they buckle. It's useful for bringing a player to the floor quickly, since they clamped down on cannonball tackles a while back. They can still result in nasty injuries though.'"


Ok, thanks.

Isn't any multiple player tackle going to be prone to injuries though?.. for example, if an attacking player is standing in the tackle, as Cooper was, and is dragging defenders with him on a surging run, then simply by the laws of physics there is a possibility that a dragged along defender may end up falling unintentionally?

I guess the job of the match officials and disciplinary committee is to decide in whether a player is acting deliberately in injuring a player?

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