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Quote: rubber duckie "Of course it's flawed and next season it with be flawed further still unless it's addressed...,

You will get 3/4/5 teams buying a marquee player. So from game one those rich teams that will always be in the top 6 mix will have an even bigger advantage and an even bigger gap come the super8s.

Plus the magic weekend. We beat Cas tomorrow great but we are still 2 points behind them because they get a gimme v Wakefield, we had to play The Gypies, how is that fare?

I don't care if wire finish top next year and win the friggin lot, it won't change my opinion of it.
A 4v5 play off is the only way to give the upper middle teams a fighting chance and back up every game matters.'"

This marquee player lark ain't gonna happen , ingles,Cronk, thurston,slater,smith,Johnson ,are what I would call marquee players there's no way on this earth you could entice them over here they earn a very good wage, any signings made if any , are not what I would call marquee players just good players,

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Quote: ratticusfinch "There's no format in the world that could make every league game matter.

I think football supporters may not agree here.

As has been said before, drop the magic weekend, or have it in place of 1 league round (preferably drop).

Have a massive prize and trophy for winning the league and the title of Champions.

Then have the end of year playoffs, for the Super League Cup, with another big pot of money at old Trafford or elsewhere.

Perhaps have the 1st round of the super league cup in place of the magic weekend.

Reminds me of how things used to work and don't remember as many complaints when it was in operation.

The current new system , now it has unravelled. does now throw up as many anomalies as the previous system.

Just a thought?

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I don't deny wirex3 I'd probably be just as bolshy to the teams that can't make it, and laugh and wind them up, that is the privilege of finishing in the top 4.

And I would scrap the magic unless one team forfeits a home game for it. The extra game is unfair on the losing team especially where a position of relegation is at stake.

I don't deny that it's up to very team to win as many to have a chance but for every winner there is a loser. So are a teams that finishes in the 5/6/7/8 spots losers?
Well the split concept says no but it gives them absolutely nil chance of making the 4! So why on earth bother. Just give the four a play off and let us all book our holidays.

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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "There's nothing wrong with the new system. I just think Magic Weekend should be seeded from the finishing positions the season before to square some games up a bit. It was 1st seed Saints v 5th seed Wire, 3rd seed Cas v 12th seed Wakey. That's not exactly fair on Leeds/Witan with re
Magic Weekend, IMO, should be a regular round of games with teams giving up a home game every other year. However you dress it up playing an extra 'odd' fixture is always going to be unfair on some teams compared to others come the end of the season.

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Four teams have four middle eight home games, four have three. Let's use the extra home game the top four have as Magic Weekend.

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Quote: Thelonius "Magic Weekend, IMO, should be a regular round of games with teams giving up a home game every other year. However you dress it up playing an extra 'odd' fixture is always going to be unfair on some teams compared to others come the end of the season.'"

Easy solution.
Make the magic a regular round of games, the team that forfeits the home game gets 4 home and 3 away in the super 8s and middle 8s.

Bobs your uncle, Flo is your aunt.

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Quote: rubber duckie "In a horse racing hcp weights are applied to make the contest even so every horse has a chance if winning.

In a dog hcp, the slowest dog is given yards starts to give every dog a chance to complete.

The RFL have divised a concept that makes it completely impossible by going against every rule of competition, giving the fastest dog the lead! Giving the best horse less weight!'"


I think you're wrong. The RFL has correctly weighted the super 8's so that the top 4 teams of the season get the best chance to get to O/T. However should any of the top 4 have a drop in form and one of the 5-8 placed go on a run of great results then places could be swapped around. This year the chance of winning it from 5th etc is small and the chances of winning to from 1-4 is good. This is the way it should be.

All our memories of 2011 & how unjust the end of season was. The new system reduces (but does not eradicate) the chances of that happening. No longer will a team win it from 5th.

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I've never been a fan of the Magic Weekend, but if the RFL want a big 'showpiece' event, they should remove it from SL and use the Challenge Cup instead. All four quarter finals at one venue would be preferable, in my view, to the current situation of a daft extra fixture which inevitably skews the league table.

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Quote: Thelonius "Magic Weekend, IMO, should be a regular round of games with teams giving up a home game every other year. However you dress it up playing an extra 'odd' fixture is always going to be unfair on some teams compared to others come the end of the season.'"

Even better idea, yeah. Just switch the team that loses a home game each year.

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Don't need to do that Buckley mate.
Whoever forfeits the home game gets 4 home in the super8s and 3 away.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Don't need to do that Buckley mate.
Whoever forfeits the home game gets 4 home in the super8s and 3 away.'"


What happens if the four teams in the middle eight were in the six who forfeited home games?

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In that you find another example of a flaw in the concept PY.

I still think the best solution with keeping this format is a 4/5 play off.

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Quote: rubber duckie "In that you find another example of a flaw in the concept PY.

I still think the best solution with keeping this format is a 4/5 play off.'"


With only 2 games played this season in the CC and a third game win will get you to Wembley (you must be feeling unbeatable).You have had a poor season and other results have improved your position in the league.

That doesn't give you the right to question? Something you think you should be involved with. Your simply not there based on your performance this season.

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Mummy duck is now thoroughly depressed. SHE was the one that was famous for losing five in a row........until the 2011 GF!!!!!:



Discussing the Super 8 with some friends yesterday. Unless we lose heavily V Cas (which would severly dent our final top 4 aims) and Catalan have a big winning margin, if our calculations are correct, we have Wigan, Hull & Catalan at home and the other teams (Leeds, Saint, huddersfield & Cas) away. Play to our potential and we could have enough to make that final top 4. Dont turn up for the first 3 rounds and it could be all over by August BH.

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