The cladding makes a world of difference. Just feels unfinished and soulless. Probably agree to disagree here but I'm glad to be at the HJ and wouldn't swap anytime soon.

Hated it when I went to the Exiles game, but it seemed ten times better last night. Maybe that was to do with the fact it was full and not ing it down. Plenty of decent pubs in the town centre, although I didn't go in I liked the bar in the stand, something we should look into, if we haven't got space to build one maybe stick a marquee up outside, would be a nice little earner for the club. Very impressed at how quick the service was inside the ground after hearing bad reviews from Saints fans, the 'beer only' queue was a great idea. The stewards were like the Gestapo at the Exiles game and ruined it for me, but there was none of that nonsense last night. Once the cladding is sorted out it will be a brilliant facility.

Unless you are behind the sticks on the first level, with Burly stewards in front of you (at one point 5 in number) we could not see the action on the left side. Why the Mounted police?

How do you think i feel when i have to pay £14 for my six year old boy.Plus the cost of my ticket some sundays it cost me the best part of £50 for the both of us.Thats with food and drink

That's right, Saints don't do student tickets so they have "young adult" tickets which is people from 16-21 years old.

Thought the stadium was great, sort out the cladding and can't be much to complain about. Nice Bridge aswell however its downhill from there for me. Got dropped in the town centre and the nicest shop was the McDonalds or the massive 99p store.

Whether they do student tickets or not shouldn't affect the price for a child though, so absolute credit to Saints for that price. "Young adult" is better than student anyway. I was a student between the ages of 16 and 21, but lots of school leavers are on low waged jobs, apprenticeships, etc (assuming they are lucky enough to have anything at all in the current economic climate) which means they aren't students but aren't rolling in dough either.

Warrington should charge less for kids (circumstances dictate season tickets aren't suitable for everyone before someone says that) so well done to Saints.

The location is great, the parking is fine if you do a bit of research on where to park beforehand and the stadium looks great from the outside. Once inside, I thought the open concourses seemed a strange design, and as we’ve heard from all quarters, will be awful in the winter and wet. However the food and drink facilities on offer were very good.

Once inside the stadium itself, I felt it was a massive let down and it is no way better than the HJ for a viewing spectator or in terms of its visual impact. The main stand with the exec boxes looked brilliant, but the halo and open corners, whilst brave in concept, looked dreadful and the swirling wind and rain on a bad night will be ridiculous. Cladding will certainly help, but that won’t sort the concourses out.

I also thought that Saints’ corporate power would be limited by having just one stand of exec boxes (or are there others that I’m missing?).

You can get into a p1ssing contest about whether Langtree or the HJ is better and which will be the better in future when all the trumpeted improvements are made to both grounds, but they’re very similar in most ways and it’s each to their own. I was just very surprised at how poor it looked when I got inside and frankly, the design of the halo, etc, struck me as A for effort, but C for execution.

That's my opinion, anyway.

Yeah it will. The cladding is going on the external walls, so the concourses will no longer be open to the elements.

I agree with certain elements of your comments DM. Making the game cheaper for kids might encourage more dads to take "little Johnny" to the game BUT from a commericla point of view, would it be worth it. For every child at the game who pays £5 instead of £15 (figures changed slightly for simplicity) the club would have to get two addition kids to compensate on the gate receipts. It would be hard to quantify have much pure extra review would be generated for "NEW" supporters attending those games which are not currently a sell-out but I am sure the club will have marketing data and stats models on this. If you take the WarringtonvSaints game though, the HJ at its current capacity is a sell-out so therefore cannot accomomdate any EXTRA fans. The Saints crowd at LP was announced at 15800ish which (again in simple terms) is 500ish more than would be at the HJ. IF all 500 were adults then this is an extra £1000 on the gate. This would be lost if only 100 kids paid £10 less at Saints than at Warrington.

Pure laws of supply and demand....it doesnt make commercial sense for Warrington to reduce kids prices. Clubs have a choice of whether they make the game cheap to attract addition numbers or whether they charge an amount which maximises their gate revenue. Bradford chose one route, Warrington another. Who got it right?]

Your 16-21 argument does have merit though as there will be supporters who fall into that catagory. Changes coming in over the next two years will reduce these numbers when students have to stay "in education" until 18. Once again though it all comes down to who pays full price at the moment and how many more will pay the reduced price.

Does it always have to be about "the bottom line" though? Saints are a bigger club than us and have a bigger ground which reflects that. Warrington is a bigger town that St Helens though so arguably we have more potential to attract more fans if we can sustain the level of success Saints have had.

You mention Bradford and of course they have had massive problems since the success dried up and people started deserting them. They had to lower prices to try and get those people back. Success tends to go in cycles, so Saints and ourselves may both have that problem in future, but that remains to be seen.

Either way, I imagine Saints and ourselves to have a fairly similar revenue stream - Saints may have a slight advantage but not massively so. Would the attendance on Monday night have been significantly lower if they had charged £14 on the turnstile for kids to access the terraces? I doubt it. Slightly lower perhaps but not massively so.

Therefore Saints sacrificed some potential revenue in order to let young fans in at a price which is easier on their parents' wallets than Warrington charge. For that I applaud them.

What wire could do is introduce prices for the lower attended games, but for the sell out games leave them as they are, i've no problem with two tier price structuring, supply and demand ateotd.

I can't say i was overly impressed, yeah its new and yes its miles better than knowsley road but i wasn't bowled over.

Maybe its because there's been a spate of new stadia lately, or maybe i was expecting something much much more from what the PR has been about it.

it felt somewhat daft, going inside, and then still being outside before heading up to the terraces.

It's not overly impressive inside either, one main stand, not too dissimilar from the one at leigh, and the others, i thought it was supposed to be a bowl? It looked and felt to me, half finished.

Do we know what the corporate £££ is like for them on a matchday? how many boxes or actually dining facilities?

Sponsors Lounge £75 each + VAT (£90) 3 course meal
Players Lounge £59 + VAT (£70.80) Hot & Cold Buffet

Yes. Warrington Sports Holdings is a business.