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| said it when he declared he was leaving... he should have gone straight away.
There is absolutely NO benefit, for anyone, to have him hanging around and 'coaching' these players now.
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| Don't mind losing if the opposition play well but Wire made Trueman look like Thurston and Turner like Addo-Carr! I was feeling slightly optimistic about the new season as I thought surely the underperforming players from last year couldn't be as bad this.....how wrong was I? The lack of application is unacceptable! We're paying a fortune for Marquee players and getting nothing in return. Senior so-called stars look like they can't be bothered. Leigh were unlucky to lose to the Pies so we'll get battered if we turn up like that again!
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| I am not convinced Price is totally to blame. KFP would certainly have played a prominent role in recruitment, and yet we have lacked two decent bench props for a long time.
And given a free hand I could never see Price putting Wrench in the team instead of Mamo. He is a conservative animal and putting a very inexperienced academy player in the team for the first game of the season would have been a bridge too far. I suspect the hand of KFP again.
Having said all that his teams have continually looked flat and lacking in ideas. He doesn't seem capable of motivating them or instilling basic rugby moves. The line is flat with the ball passed along like pass the parcel. Nobody runs onto the ball at speed. We don't dominate the tackle, and invariably end up on our backs when we run the ball in. We are clueless near the try line. There are no dummy runners or movement near the ball carrier. That is all basic coaching stuff, rl isn't exactly a game of chess. Last season we saw Watson work miracles with a patched up team of journeymen and rejects. Powell has always got the maximum out of his limited resources, accepting that his best players will get poached at the end of the season. But we are at the opposite end of that spectrum. The club has fantastic facilities and regularly buys in quality players ( well ok, they buy in players I perhaps should say), yet you feel all that has been squandered.
Yesterday was a truly shocking performance.
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| Quote: Deus Dat Incrementum "Some disturbing signs in the game today.
I noticed and the commentators picked up on Ratchford turning up on the right edge as an extra pivot but tipped the ball on about 5 yards before the defensive line. I found that very odd. I could have defended that play. Compare that to Trueman who plays very close to the defence to draw defenders.'"
Yes I noticed that on a number of occasions.
The attacker with the ball should be going right to the line to commit the defence - imho.
Trueman had a great game - short kicking was superb.
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| Trueman would look good in a Wire jersey.
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| Quote: Winslade's Offload "I am not convinced Price is totally to blame. KFP would certainly have played a prominent role in recruitment, and yet we have lacked two decent bench props for a long time.
And given a free hand I could never see Price putting Wrench in the team instead of Mamo. He is a conservative animal and putting a very inexperienced academy player in the team for the first game of the season would have been a bridge too far. I suspect the hand of KFP again.
Having said all that his teams have continually looked flat and lacking in ideas. He doesn't seem capable of motivating them or instilling basic rugby moves. The line is flat with the ball passed along like pass the parcel. Nobody runs onto the ball at speed. We don't dominate the tackle, and invariably end up on our backs when we run the ball in. We are clueless near the try line. There are no dummy runners or movement near the ball carrier. That is all basic coaching stuff, rl isn't exactly a game of chess. Last season we saw Watson work miracles with a patched up team of journeymen and rejects. Powell has always got the maximum out of his limited resources, accepting that his best players will get poached at the end of the season. But we are at the opposite end of that spectrum. The club has fantastic facilities and regularly buys in quality players ( well ok, they buy in players I perhaps should say), yet you feel all that has been squandered.
Yesterday was a truly shocking performance.'"
Price re-signed Sita, signed Clark, Latu, Davis, Kibula, Butler and Mulhearn, re-negotiated Robson to stay. He also signed and relased BMM. There can be no excuse about having available props. If they’re rubbish, don’t sign them. If he’s not getting the players he wants, explain that and walk.
Realistically, the job of the coach is to get the best out of the squad he has available. We know the problem with props, so why not split Cooper and Hill up and supplement them with the next best. Then any momentum doesn’t stop completely when we rotate.
Once the players are on the pitch, the coach says who’s on and who’s off. And having a cameo from Walker is refreshing for the sake of Clark’s longevity, it won’t be our problem next year unless we compete for titles. Clark won’t sit around and knock back offers to stay at an average club. And having Ashton on the bench does nothing at all if you’re giving him 9 minutes when the game has gone.
Turner/Shenton defending on the wing, to any decent coach, screams to kick in behind them, make them turn and collect. Neither are experienced wingers. Yet I can’t recall them being out under any stress at all. At least if you stick Ashton on a wing they would have to factor in his pace. Just the threat of a kick in behind makes them think. Sadly, Charnley doesn’t have that strike pace. And he didn’t do the things he usually does so well yesterday, which is defend and return the ball well.
Missed opportunity. The question is how many missed opportunities will the club allow
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| Quote: Briers'Boot "Trueman would look good in a Wire jersey.'"
Just don't let Price anywhere near him.
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| Still here then
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Just don't let Price anywhere near him.'"
Trueman wouldn't be half the player he is under the Wire regime. He plays with a freedom and license to exploit his ability whereas we nullify all our creativity with dreary, predictable tactics.
There's an abundance of talent in that Wire team and we should have had their pack on the back foot, and Trueman running up cul-de-sacs. The fact we didn't is down to team selection, use of subs, motivation, preparation and coaching ....... and it's an embarrassment.
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| Quote: Briers'Boot "Trueman would look good in a Wire jersey.'"
NOT with Price as his coach.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Trueman wouldn't be half the player he is under the Wire regime. He plays with a freedom and license to exploit his ability whereas we nullify all our creativity with dreary, predictable tactics.
There's an abundance of talent in that Wire team and we should have had their pack on the back foot, and Trueman running up cul-de-sacs. The fact we didn't is down to team selection, use of subs, motivation, preparation and coaching ....... and it's an embarrassment.'"
So I have asked this question before, what exactly is Briers coaching then, he was a maverick player.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Trueman wouldn't be half the player he is under the Wire regime. He plays with a freedom and license to exploit his ability whereas we nullify all our creativity with dreary, predictable tactics.
There's an abundance of talent in that Wire team and we should have had their pack on the back foot, and Trueman running up cul-de-sacs. The fact we didn't is down to team selection, use of subs, motivation, preparation and coaching ....... and it's an embarrassment.'"
This exactly.
Our coaching regime is absolutely horrific, I was mortified that the club didn't replace him at the end of 2019, I'm upset that he didn't go last season and I'm absolutely disgusted that he is still here now. I don't for one second blame him and I also think he's an honest bloke giving it his best but it isn't good enough. The club itself especially KFP have been too inactive, shown apathy to some very long runs of micky poor performance and allowed this situation to arise and then spiral. We need a change now, its gone way too far. I don't even look forward to watching the games on TV anymore.
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| Quote: karetaker "So I have asked this question before, what exactly is Briers coaching then, he was a maverick player.'"
Beard cultivation?
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| Sadly thinking back to 2017 when we went to Leigh, Kurt Gidley endured 40 mins of 'player cam' and we all endured a dismal 80 mins all round.
Don't know why it suddenly seems appropriate with Friday coming up.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "Price re-signed Sita, signed Clark, Latu, Davis, Kibula, Butler and Mulhearn, re-negotiated Robson to stay. He also signed and relased BMM. There can be no excuse about having available props. If they’re rubbish, don’t sign them. If he’s not getting the players he wants, explain that and walk'"
Not really true tho they were signed whilst he was coach but they are not necessarily his signings. That's like saying smith resigned Kevin penny.
I'm in no way defending price but I'm sorry 75% of the team must also shoulder responsibility also. A lot of our experienced players have overseen the demise of 2 coaches now they should not see a 3rd coach also. I cannot think of any of our side cooper clark n currie who I think go that extra mile off the pitch and on it to be the best they can be. How many of out side would take a pay cut to go te a team that deliver them gf winners rings. We have very good players but they dont make a very good team and I dont think inglis aside we have a natural born winner in our club
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