Totally agree. Nobody complained in 2011. We have done better than 2011

But we could also then say...out win ratio is higher with Penny on the wing instead of Russell...?

Spot on.

In 2011 we didn't have the effort in personal and facilities we have now.
In 2011 we were satisfied, as you improve expectations soulful become higher.

It'd be like man city finishing second in the league, runners up in FA cup and winning the league cup.....they wouldn't be happy with that. Im not happy. If our only three quarter signing for next season is blythe we might as well not bother.

Football is fairytale world where a manager can be sacked after 3 months with a £million settlement because money is no object.

We were disappointing last night, but at the start of the season we were playing some great rugby. The outcome to the season is something we would have dreamed about ten years ago. Clearly we still need to improve, but I do not understand the desperation on this board at all.

With regards to having the best attack, whilst you have scored the most points during the season you failed to score enough when it mattered. It's very rare to lose games when you've only conceded 12 points but you've done it twice in the finals this year. Only 1 try in the GF, 2 in the CC with one coming from an opportunistic intercept, and whilst you won vs Hull and Saints in the previous 2 weeks, only 3 tries both times for how much you dominated those games was a poor return. With Lineham's final try coming from Hull having to throw the ball about and without dragging up a big argument their was obviously some controversy about the ones you scored vs Saints, so questions have to be asked about why you are finding it tough to score in the crunch games.

Because our right hand side is severely handicapped by evans at centre, and Atkins went off the boil on the other side, this coupled with Gidley who isn't very creative with ball in hand.

I really think you guys need some perspective , You are no doubt one off the top two sides in Super League but must realize that you are no where near as good as say you were in 2011 . That though is he same with all the top teams , no disrespect to Wigan as they fully deserve the Trophy as they have overcome so many injuries this year but without doubt the side they had out yesterday are the worst ever to win the Grand Final but thats not down to either coaches unfortunatley it is down to a general lack of quality players availible throughout the comp . Beware of what you wish for as the only coach that i feel could improve you is from Cas and i reckon he will not be coming in your direction

Exactly, we were building in 2011 having won the CC the two previous seasons.

Building in 2011 for what? For the core of the team to be tore out two years later due to age and retirement? Does the rebuilding we've had to do over the past two seasons prior to 2016 not count for anything?

I think you misunderstood his point DAG.
He didn't mean re-building. He meant building like a crescendo.