How I would love to watch Warrington LOSE five grand finals in a row. Wow, you are so lucky. You know, not winning ANYTHING for THREE years and for THREE years Warrington filling the trophy cabinet. I know it is hard to think about but it's been a long dry spell for Saints.

I'm sure we'll get better at the playoffs. Come one, we lost by a couple of points, in a close match, against the eventual champions (the ones who dry bummed you your team in the final) Plus we put a cricket score past Huddersfield. This year MAY just be our year.

Good Luck, you're really going to need it this year.

Are we laughing at Saints too early?

On here I remember a fair few of the pre-season predictions from Wire fans were saying Saints to come top, or us to come top and Saints second, because Wigan are going to decline without Maguire.

I would still be apprehensive if we had to play them in the playoffs or a Challenge Cup round.

I'm not. Now Graham has gone they lack leadership even more so than last year.

We are the team the team to beat this season without question and the only team that really can mount a challenge is Wigan.

Too early?

I certainly wouldn't laugh at sts on a bad run cause they always pull a saints. However, they haven't won anything in a long time and don't look like rectifying that this season.

I admit they have some of the hallmarks of Leeds last year and could surprise everyone come the end of the season but Leeds last year had star power; they had the players you turn to in a big game with backs against the wall.

Who are the stalwarts at sts? Gardner? Wellens? Meli? These aren't big game players. I remember Pryce dragging sts around the pitch. I remember Graham dragging sts into a victory. I've never seen Lomax or Gaskell or Makinson or Foster or Meli or Perry or LMS win a a game with skill for sts.

There is Wellens and Tony P who can realistically rally the troops and it shows. They really are looking like their backs against the wall.

Yes, a bad fortnight, but losing to excellent Giants and Cats teams is no disgrace. Far too early to write off any of the 'big' sides, especially Saints aho are still the masters of late come-backs.

I think Leeds may have something to say about that.

Write Saints off at your peril.

In all honesty it has been a bad 3 weeks, the draw at Hull KR for me was more disapointing than losing out to Catalans and Hudds, but although I was gutted with the Cats result probably with the nature of the loss I was very proud yesterday in a game which could have gone either way and we just missed out on all 3 games we failed to win. I think it will be Wire top Wigan 2nd Hudds and cats fighting for 3rd/4th and us and Leeds fighting for 5th/6th. St Helens always have a sticky patch and the games we lost last season included Hudds away Hull KR away anyway. But I'm confident we will put a run together at some point and look like Saints and I am not worried yet. What does get me thinking is the lack of a match winner, with the players we have lost especially Graham it was always going to be a tough ask but I think we will be OK, don't know if we will win anything but certainly think we will be there or there abouts.

Won't take long for Saints to hit some form again with or without Roby, just hope its not against us.

No disgrace in losing to Cats and Huddersfield. Its true Saints are not what they used to be but they are going through a spell of losing there key players due to retirement and blooding youngsters for the future in the hope they can be like Cunningham, Long etc. The new stadium may have stopped them signing the best players around but can still beat anyone on there day.

Lol....

it seems Moz thinks it's funny too.