Deep down i think YOU know that Graham has been better this year than Morley. He has carried our pack all year almost alone, he also is miles ahead statistically.

That said, i do think Morley will win the MOS award.




Not quite.

So Graham deserves to be the Man of Steel solely because St Helens can't be d to bring in any props to lighten his workload?

why can't people grasp it is an INDIVIDUAL award, not team.

in my opinion, all 3 are worthy, as well as others not even on the shortlist.

stating the case for moz, as said before his controlled aggression this year has been amazing, refs used to look for him to give away a penalty, i think this year he has changed this view and he is now seen as 'hard but fair'.
whenever the team or atmosphere has gone a bit 'flat' in a match, he's been the one to put in a big hit, or get his self at first receiver and run the ball in full tilt and lift the team.
he gets on with the game, when the opposition target him for some rough treatment, he gets up dusts himself off and just plays the ball, no whinging to the ref, the offender (or his own team mates )
the effect he has on the players around him cannot be underestimated.
as stated before, his standing in the game and respect he receives from his peers speaks volumes about the player...and the man!!

He is a MAN OF STEEL!!!!

I'd had a bet on Keith Senior! Still can't belive he didn't make the top 3. Deserves it solely on the basis of flattening Jon Wilkin.

Morley is a 60-70 minute man isn't he? That is what gets said on here. I'd say they play a similar amount of time. Jammer usually does 70-80. Morley YPC is 8.07, while Graham has a YPC of 7.2. Pretty much the only stat he is ahead in.

So despite Morley being rested and playing less time, with the support of Carvell and Rauhihi he is under 1 meter per carry ahead.



No he deserves it because he has been better than Morley, the fact he has been virtually alone for large parts just adds to it.


Jammer has done 1,496 more meters than Morley, the difference between the two is half of Morley's total season production.

More tries, more carries and yards, more offloads, more tackle busts. All pretty key stats for a prop.

Despite playing more time, which you think would make him more tired, Jammer has made 100 more tackles and missed half as many tackles as Morley. Also conceded less penalties. So Jammer is also better in defence.

Morley is ahead in three stats: YPC, marker tackles and errors.

By every conceivable statistic and reasoning Graham has been better than Morley. He has guided us to second in the table and a cup semi-final and is without doubt our best/ most consistent player.

Morley may be a better leader and will get MOS IMHO (soley because you won the Cup), but Jammer has been by far the better player.

I really couldn't care whether he has the respect of his peers. Although i suspect he does. Somebody trying to deliberately rip his shoulder out and take his head off, and he didn't retaliate during the game, he should have shaked hands but it is understandable why he didn't.

All ignoring the points i made about Jammer being a better player.

if morley and graham were the same age and i had to choose between the 2, i'd take mozza everytime.

That isn't the point though is it?

The stats say otherwise.

He has a greater YPC but he isn't more effective if Jammer can get 50% of Morley's entire season yards in only one more game. If i make one run for 80 yards i have a YPC of 80 but i'm not more effective.

But he spends more time on the pitch? So he will make more metres through having more carries as well. Really not that difficult..oh and Moz isn't a fat ginger mard ar'se, he is one of the most respected players in the world.

surely it is?!
i'm on about moz playing like he did this season, not when he was grahams age, the only reason i mentioned age is because your guy is alot younger, it'd be a no brainer to take someone you're gonna get 10 years out of instead of 1 or 2.
it is fine you quoting stats (which don't take into circumstance) but i think you are massively underestimating the leadership and influence on those around them factor. graham may improve in these areas with experience, but as of this season, give me moz anyday.

are you whinger ginger in disguise ? by any chance?