SC I know that you don't for one minute believe that.
I only hope it's a ploy to create debate.

The 18th Man, if it does give an intensity boost, is marginal.
But within this margin, there could be enough to lift one of the teams when both generally are ability matched.

All of the above really, helped along by people being on the pop. All part of the event over the weekend, I've no voice today but come Sunday I will probably just want to stand and enjoy the game at Belle Vue quietly.

In the previous match there wasn't enough numbers there to be heard over the drum from where I was sat, it took till all your fans were there to actually be heard. Then apart from annoying Monaghan song you sang your hearts out throughout.

I saw a few opposition fans (*cough* Wigan *cough*) moaning about the singing on Twitter. One even melodramatically claimed we were ruining her Magic Weekend



What they're really thinking is "I wish our fans were that awesome"

I took a couple of videos of the post-match craziness if you didn't get enough yesterday.....

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I'm not sure I'd be crazy enough to let a bunch of *very* drunk Wire and Catalan fans do this to me, especially over concrete, but hey-ho. Just glad there wasn't any cracked skulls!
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I like your thinking. I would think that in the case of LFC for example the crowd may well inspire the team. By the way many City fans will tell you that when they were in the old 3rd Division they still got crowds of 30,000.

But I think it happens less in rugby league. I certainly wouldn't claim Wigan's fans to be anything special in this regard. My original post was only trying to puncture the view that the Wire 'singing' had anything to do with your win over Saints. I'm sure the players will even say that the fans contributed to it if you asked them But then, they would wouldn't they?

Everyone says what great fans they have and with today's society all needing to be involved 'to be part of the story' it feeds the illusion that we are part of our team's success - when in truth we really aren't. Wire beat Saints because Saints didn't compete with your pack in which Hill was outstanding. That's it really.

I, for one, hope some Wigan fans' weekends were ruined by Warrington fans singing. I doubt it though.

You've mixed two factors here, great fans and more fans.

I think a great atmosphere can inspire z team occasionally but it as to be something really special; probably a better atmosphere than any Rugby match can generate. Also, a great atmosphere doesn't have to involve much singing.

For the more fans argument, the best teams have the best players. So the teams with the most money generally get the best players in. Traditionally the money was brought through the turnstiles but TV deals and sugardaddy owners mean gate money isn't as important as it once was. So more fans, more success.

City have always had a fairly decent crowd, even before they won the lottery. Their problem is that it's not growing at a rate they would want and when you get midweek games or unglamorous cup ties, theres not the volume of fans waiting for tickets, so you start to get gaps in the seats. Away games are the same for them.



So you saw them get 30,000 for some games in the old 3rd division, but in the same season they got a crowds of 19,000, 11,000 and then 3007 against Mansfield, all in cup games. Some of the away crowds were very poor as well.

I don't know how the Liverpool crowd can inspire the team, once you get past the stage managed YNWA at the beginning, you can hear a pin drop for most of the games.

So in conclusion, More fans = more possibilities of winning trophies, Great atmosphere = can occasionally generate a better performance (or periods of play) on the pitch.

LA,Bob.
Noble peace prize nomination for you.

Here's the formula you devised.
MF=(+/-MP)×GA=(+/-BP)

Fair points. I'm inclined to agree. (Though 19,00 for a third division game is pretty good)

I personally find the YNWA nonsense rather nauseating. I suppose I was thinking of the time when LFC beat St Etienne (1977 I think - the same year you scored thirty league goals and won ten grand from the Daily Express!!!).

I was sat directly above the wire fans, in the 2nd tier, and literally the only two songs I heard were 'sh*t helens' and what I keep reading was supposed to be 'allez allez allez ohh' but was definitely 'alley alley alley oh'. You were pretty loud though, congrats.

That has more to do with the position of you and the direction of acoustics rather than loudness of voice.
Like standing behind a mega phone as opposed to standing in front.

Well, he was sitting above you and I was sitting on halfway and we both didn't hear much apart from the banal and excuciating "Allez, Allez, Allez".

Would anyone care to explain to me why you were singing that anyway. Do you have French players that I don't know about? Is Warrington twinned with Toulouse? Do any of you even know what it means?