And you can't read. What Gary is saying is that the RFL are looking at more recognition for the team who finish top of the pile at the end of the normal season.

That's in the article... He was seemingly making out to be / know more.
As I also elude too won't ditch Grand Final so won't really make a difference anyway.

This isn't a sleeping giant, it's a giant! Denis Betts Nov 2010

Arf

He wasn't. Could you please put the second line of your post into English, I can't understand it.

If he thinks the league leaders' shield is a disgrace what about the Ashes?

This is what England got for winning a 5 Test series of 5 day cricket in Australia the toughest environment to win cricket in the world:



And this is what India get for winning a bit of a one day slog competition:



It's about time that proper recognition is given to the winners of the Ashes with a proper competition (nb I didn't care about this all those years the Aussies were winning)

Ok so all he 'knew for a fact' was what we could all read.

Simply what he seem's to be after is the title being given to the league leaders, that will never happen.

Some of thoughts are valid, but the timing and the fact it comes from an obviously biased source make it come across as simply sour grapes.

Yes the format should be changed so that 1st has a better advantage. The fact wire didn't make it after winning the league is not a good enough reason for that though; which is how the article comes across.

The only way you could make it easier would be direct entry to semi or even Grand Final but then you'd gave to drastically cut playoff numbers to save having 3/4 weeks off!

Without wanting to drag this out further, I'd like to make a few comments too:

I'm assuming that Gary Skentelbery is member of the Chamber of Commerce, and according to their website handles "PR" for them. I'll assume that Colin Daniels just happened to make this statement and it was picked up by Warrington Worldwide and not engineered in any manner by either parties. Is this the same Colin Daniels that wanted a ban on kissing on the platform of Bank Quay Station?

I'll also assume that in the original post when Garys states:


That "all feedback" includes those that don't agree with himself and Colin Daniels? And that its also not a reason to promote warrington worldwide and its website?

On with the comments:


I don't think they are, they understand, they just don't agree with you.



A noble sentiment, they should also be given a large cheque and freedom of the town and lots of free goodies. I'd quite like those things too.


So the views don't represent the fans or the club but you want to pass all feedback through the chamber of commerce to the RFL? Can we see that before its sent and you represent other peoples views?


Expressing his view through the chamber of commerce PR or warrington worldwide? Some people wanted an open top bus parade for the players, some people wanted the sheild presented at Hull all valid views but not practical or cost effective, unless the chamber of commerce want to pay for it?


A knockout competition like, say the Challenge Cup?


A good point, when would be a good time to raise the issue? And not make it look like self promotion? Or sour grapes? Or childish whining?



Where does he say that? He doesn't like club call, not heard him say anything about the play-offs?


People didn't want to pay to the see the game, they watched it on Sky instead and saved their money for a week later. Maybe you could give them some advice on how you fill cantilever park every week?



So you're doing it for the players then? Its all about them?


Sticky wicket with that one and how your went about it, you didn't make many friends at the club or with the past players for your "altruistic" actions.

Pretty much I think it comes down to poor "journalism" coupled with self promotion and you're being called on it.

Lock it..........

Man's got a point, although we could could create a whole new trophy, a massive one even, to present to the League Leaders, but it wouldn't change anything in my opinion. Because it's still second best no matter what we do.

Personally, I've no problem with Leeds taking the SL crown as they did it by adhering to the current SL playoff format, and playing very well in the process. So that's fine. But the stature of the LLS etc does need revising.

Let's face it, the LLS in itself is poor. For it to be referred to as a 'hub cap' just about sums it up. So maybe - and this is [ijust[/i an idea - they should scrap the trophy altogether and just offer a decent/improved cash injection into the club that finishes top, plus a revised and more beneficial route to the Grand Final? Because it seems that each time I've watched the LLS presentations over the years, whether it be Saints or whoever, it has felt rather uninspiring to me. And the reason for this is that, subconsciously, we all realise that the LLS is massively inferior to the end prize.

Having said all this, please don't get me wrong everyone because I was immensely proud of the fact that we were the most consistent and entertaining team of 2011. It was a great year to be a Wire! Its just that for me, somehow the dissapointment of being knocked out in the semi final, annoyingly, outweighed the jubilation of receiving the LLS.

It's a very valid point. I hate the playoff system. A competition that can be won in 3 games carrying more prestige than a comp that takes 27 rounds, ludicrous imo. I don't buy this argument of we all know how it works before the season starts, prior knowledge doesn't make something wrong or right. Makes the sport a mockery that a team finishes top 13 points behind 3rd place team.