You did.

Is/was Glees really a 'sulker' and 'not commited' or is he just a really laid back and easy going bloke?

He looked quite commited when he went 90 metres against Bratfurt last season.

you brought 12 years into it, not me, some of those players did not play 12 years ago, the point i'm making is they came back better players for wigan than for wires

btw how many wire matches did you watch in 97, i saw them all did you?

christchurch, cronulla & penrith away?

You typed;

"they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago".

Which is incorrect. I suspect the last one mentioned to win anything was McGinty in 1994. And I dare say they did improve at Wigan because they were full time players whilst at Warrington they were not. But since SL...nothing.

Therefore, I don't believe Gleeson will suddenly become a superstar again at Wigan. They are no different than us in 2009 and I cannot think of a single valid reason why he would.

And I dare say I hardly missed any matches in 1997 if any at all. Do I get a badge or something?

I think so! I seen him wingeing at other players in our last few home games, he looked like he wanted out? Easy to say now though

Ahh I see. Are you one of the 52 and in the 'superfan' category?

you picked me up on one point, fair enough, but it was you that brought up the twelve years, when the players i mentioned played for wigan they had more sucess than when they played for us, the rest is your poor arguements, you did miss at least 3 matches in 97, as i know every fan who went on the wcc by name!

so no badge for you!


and we'll see about gleeson only time will tell/ history writes itself and all that


my opinion, just as your entitled to yours

but the point i first made was he will come to bite us on the bum...so lets see shall we?


who brought superleague up?

stop moving the goal posts to suit your arguement

Fair enough. Although all the players mentioned are all a long time ago and there has been nothing of note since the full-time SL era.

You seem to forget that Wigan aren't famous anymore!

who knows, you don't! maybe i am, not for you or me to judge is it?

i was one of the 52

and went to the WCC in97

you?

Dont see him every week like you guys but from an opposing fans perspective if you asked 100 opposing fans for the name of the most dangerous player for warrington i am sure 95% of them would name Gleeson. He may be a bad apple, he may be a sulker but unless there is a top notch replacement, I am afraid yoy may be £100k better off, but mathers cant get a game at wigan, and think you are less dangerous.

No but you must direct me to your employer who clearly pays you far more than mine pays me.

nhs


stop spending your money on other things!

The club no longer own a donkey.

You can have the best player in the world but when he doesn't want to be somewhere, you won't get the best out of him (Cristiano Ronaldo's early season form being the casing point). Gleesons comments & Smiths comments both indicate that Martin Gleeson wasn't looking at staying here longer than the season end, and in fact Gleesons comments insinuate that he'd been looking to move for a while, be it to the NRL etc.

I've had my say on Gleeson earlier in this thread, I don't think there's much else to say, other than to point out that Gleesons last two moves have been money orientated, and I think that tells you enough about him. He's done well for us, he hasn't enhanced his reputation but he certainly hasn't damaged it, all his wingers have scored tries and he's been a real threat, but through all that, he's never really been likeable has he ? He's never wanted to endear himself to the fans has he ? If he's attended events it's looked an effort and such.

I think Smith has another dig at him, maybe dig is the wrong word, but Smith makes his point with the Mathers announcement, about the proffesionalism that Richie brings to training, and the example that he sets to younger players etc. I think that's the key to this transfer, I really do. When Gleeson has his game head on, I don't think Smith has a problem, but something tells you that through the week, he isn't the most committed, and we've got plenty of talented youngster in our squad right now, who'll look upto people like Gleeson, and it's a pretty poor yardstick for these guys to have.

Add to the above, the work of Bastian, and before Bastian, there's some very, very talented kads going to break though in the next year or two, the Reserves & U'18s flying at present, if your going to keep bringing these guys into your setup, their going to be like sponges, and if you set them the right example, and they are introduced to the right environment then it'll be second nature to them, and their standards will be set high from the outset, and this will be passed on & on, Smith obviously felt Gleeson didn't portray the right image, didn't have the right manner of proffesionalism and has been moved on, and I'm sure that there will be others, if they don't meet the requirements, Mathers will know what to expect, and no doubt will be looking forward to it.

I'm sure Smith will use this transfer, and the revival of Lee Briers and say to the squad, here's two examples, ones a GB international, gone, because he didn't have the desire to work hard, day in day out. That could be you, I will make decisions, tough ones, look, here's the proof. Flipside, show enough desire, and look at Lee, I dropped him, he reacted by getting his head down, two vastly improved performances later, he's a big part of the side moving forward.

For two long we've been fed soundbites, like the ones Gleeson has given today. We've had them from Cull, players signing, players at forums, columns, you name it. We want actions, we want tangible, visable differences and Smith has delivered one today, whilst sounding a massively loud warning shot to anybody else thinking that he's another 'all talk, no action' kinda guy.