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Quote: Steve51 "No he wouldn't but to continually do that he would be guilty of defending the field rather than defending by reacting to the play.'"


Play what you see. All about making the right decision which many of our players seemingly can't.

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Quote: keithcun "Jesus wept.

And if Penny did that they would waltz through the 10 metre gap between him and the rest of the defence (King mainly).'"


Its man marking. You stay 1 foot outside the opposite Winger. Then you aint gonna get caught out. If everyone marked their man there would be no 10 metre gap

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Quote: Bobbie_the_coach "Its man marking. You stay 1 foot outside the opposite Winger. Then you aint gonna get caught out. If everyone marked their man there would be no 10 metre gap'"


In fact this forum Makes me laugh.
Lay off Penny , Lay off Penny. Hes young, Hes Learning.
When are people gonna wake up and realize the Lowes knows better than you keyboard Rugby players and stop being so sentimental?

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[quote="Bob Paisley":y3z7f3as]A lot of teams beat us, do a lap of honour and don't stop running. They live too long on one good result. I remember Jimmy Adamson crowing after Burnley had beaten us once and that his players were in a different league. At the end of the season they were.[/quote:y3z7f3as] [quote="WireFanatic II":y3z7f3as]Why, if it isn't Catalancs, RLFANS answer to a question no-one asked![/quote:y3z7f3as]:5414.jpg



Quote: Bobbie_the_coach "Its man marking. You stay 1 foot outside the opposite Winger. Then you aint gonna get caught out. If everyone marked their man there would be no 10 metre gap'"


Make your mind up, you previously said "I just think if you lpay on the wing you should stay on the wing."

But what is Penny supposed to do if three defenders inside him haven't done their job? Just become the scapegoat like he has done.

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[quote="Bob Paisley":y3z7f3as]A lot of teams beat us, do a lap of honour and don't stop running. They live too long on one good result. I remember Jimmy Adamson crowing after Burnley had beaten us once and that his players were in a different league. At the end of the season they were.[/quote:y3z7f3as] [quote="WireFanatic II":y3z7f3as]Why, if it isn't Catalancs, RLFANS answer to a question no-one asked![/quote:y3z7f3as]:5414.jpg



Quote: Bobbie_the_coach "In fact this forum Makes me laugh.
Lay off Penny , Lay off Penny. Hes young, Hes Learning.
When are people gonna wake up and realize the Lowes knows better than you keyboard Rugby players and stop being so sentimental?'"


Crikey, you are even taling to yourself now.

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Quote: keithcun "Make your mind up, you previously said "I just think if you lpay on the wing you should stay on the wing."

But what is Penny supposed to do if three defenders inside him haven't done their job? Just become the scapegoat like he has done.'"


I think you'll find I said keep a foot outside the winger. He aint a scapegoat Just not a good player. wake up

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



I love watching the game, but have never played it and I confess to knowing very little when it comes to defensive tactics and such.

Are there effectively two different defensive styles - sliding (which would equate to zonal marking in football) and man to man (equates to man to man in football)?

If this is the case, and if we play a sliding defence then is there room to have a wing playing man to man outside of the sliding defence (a bit like you can play zonal in football, but still have one or two players playing man to man too)?

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I don't get this rational that it's either one thing or the other, it can be both and it is. The defence inside of penny is shocking and penny is a poor one on one tackler.

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Quote: gary numan "I don't get this rational that it's either one thing or the other, it can be both and it is. The defence inside of penny is shocking and penny is a poor one on one tackler.'"


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With Kevin Penny you get what you see which is a kid that has pace to burn who has been thrown onto a rugby league field, his positional sense is still poor and he doesn`t seem to be learning a great deal. Chris Riley who has had far less 1st team chances than Kevin Penny has certainly improved at a faster rate of knots, Chris Riley still has things to learn but he has certainly shown more improvement than Kevin Penny in a similar timescale. I`m not knocking Penny as its giving an opinion based on what we have seen of him, i hope he goes on to be a Warrington great but i can`t see it based on what ive seen so far.

Kevin Penny reminds me a lot of Paul White and to some extent Richie Barnett, all 3 of these had one thing in common which was blistering pace but all 3 of them looked like should have been wearing L plates whilst on a rugby league pitch as none of them have looked natural rugby league players. Both Paul White and Richie Barnet found their level at Salford before Barnett was given a 2 year ban for failing a drug test.

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Quote: Bobbie_the_coach "Someone with a bit of Know!
Oh, so it's not all Penny's fault then!

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Quote: keithcun "Oh, so it's not all Penny's fault then!'"


Its Pennys Fault He's Been dropped yes

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Quote: Bobbie_the_coach "Its Pennys Fault He's Been dropped yes'"


It is also the failure of the team collectively.

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Quote: Rob Wire "With Kevin Penny you get what you see which is a kid that has pace to burn who has been thrown onto a rugby league field, his positional sense is still poor and he doesn`t seem to be learning a great deal. Chris Riley who has had far less 1st team chances than Kevin Penny has certainly improved at a faster rate of knots, Chris Riley still has things to learn but he has certainly shown more improvement than Kevin Penny in a similar timescale. I`m not knocking Penny as its giving an opinion based on what we have seen of him, i hope he goes on to be a Warrington great but i can`t see it based on what ive seen so far.

Kevin Penny reminds me a lot of Paul White and to some extent Richie Barnett, all 3 of these had one thing in common which was blistering pace but all 3 of them looked like should have been wearing L plates whilst on a rugby league pitch as none of them have looked natural rugby league players. Both Paul White and Richie Barnet found their level at Salford before Barnett was given a 2 year ban for failing a drug test.'"


I'm not sure what you mean that Riley has had far less first team chances, they have played pretty much the same amount of games. Add to this Riley's greater amateur experience, I'm not quite sure you are compring like-for-like.

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