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| Quote Wolf Hall="Wolf Hall"Let's be quite clear, the present government has been in power for 10+ years'"
I voted Labour, but this government has been in charge for 116 days.
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| Quote Jack Napier="Jack Napier"I voted Labour, but this government has been in charge for 116 days.'"
I think you know what I mean Jack, i.e. where the responsibility lies.
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| The responsibility for the way the NHS uses its funds is down to the NHS Procurement teams, turning the NHS into Trusts was and still is a big issue the Trust leaders are only interested in making profit. There are departments within the NHS that are spending huge funds during Feb and Mar each year to prove their dept needs the funds and therefore receives the same level of funding the following year. Don't forget there are those in the NHS who use the 6 months full pay sick leave every year, which is a cost as they require agency to cover the positions.
Successive governments regardless of their flavour have treated the NHS with bursts of contempt. There have been increases in funds however the increase population and therefore to £'s per head is out of balance. There are many non UK nationals treated by the NHS whose respective governments should eventually pay, sadly there is a massive gap in the treatment and the cost recovery this also has an effect on the way the NHS works.
When you look at the none frontline staff, some of their salaries would make your eyes water when some on the frontline are on low salaries. Revising this area would massively help the funding issues.
The NHS is not something this or the next government can put right without returning it to a nationalised operation.
Again this Thursday we should all  the frontline staff
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| Quote Snaggletooth="Snaggletooth"
The NHS is not something this or the next government can put right without returning it to a nationalised operation.
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No, it can be put right to a large extent by changing the mindset of its customer base - the population.
It needs to be a service that promotes self responsibility among the population, instead of the current situation where it's a safety net for people who have self abused.
Eat, drink, or smoke yourself into ill health?... No problem, you have got your NHS Get Out Of Jail card - how bizarre a health system is it, than one that actually gives people a green light to get ill, knowing the taxpayer will pick up the tab for your unhealthy lifestyle?
Just look at the whole Diabetes 2 epidemic and our reaction to it - not to charge/punish the people who have created the problem, but instead wrap them in cotton wool, while getting those who show some dietary self responsibility to pay for their treatment through more taxation (sugar tax).
Personally, I'd prefer to see a health system with a tariff charge for certain avoidable/non essential treatments- For instance, call me harsh but why does the taxpayer have to fund IVF for childless couples?
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| The NHS does try and do a lot of campaigning on prevention and healthy lifestyles and doctors lobby government for increased regulations/taxes on things like sugar, saturated fats, tobacco, alcohol.
However they come up against powerful lobby interests and media commentators who describe this as "the nanny state". Often the same type of voices who like to slag off the NHS all the time. One of the ironies which they haven't understood, in their simultaneous campaigns against the nanny state and NHS and 'red tape', is that insurance companies want deregulation of data privacy rules so they can use 'big data' to learn more about peoples lifestyles.
If they get their way on this and on private insurance replacing the NHS, then they may end up in the dystopian nightmare where every transaction they make is being monitored with an eye to setting their health premiums. Then the 25 year old teetotal vegan millennial with subscriptions to yoga classes and fitness clubs pays a lot less than the 50 year old who is a bit overweight and enjoys beer, a full English breakfast and the occasional fag. Probably not the world they were hoping for.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon". Then the 25 year old teetotal vegan millennial with subscriptions to yoga classes and fitness clubs pays a lot less than the 50 year old who is a bit overweight and enjoys beer, a full English breakfast and the occasional fag. Probably not the world they were hoping for.'"
Sounds perfectly fair to me. By all means, enjoy your unhealthy lifestyle, just don't expect others to fund your self abuse.
We currently have a system that rewards neglect, with a free route out of it. .. that can't be right?
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"Sounds perfectly fair to me. By all means, enjoy your unhealthy lifestyle, just don't expect others to fund your self abuse.
We currently have a system that rewards neglect, with a free route out of it. .. that can't be right?'"
Couldn't agree more.but to throw another angle on it aren't we all guilty of this in some sort of way...I.e going for a few beers on a Friday having a chippy tea some smoke..when on holiday drink and eat more Christmas we do eat and drink more...not meaning to pick an argument but aren't we all guilty of this...
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| This is getting a bit serious but we do seem to live in an 'entitlement' and 'not my fault' society. The counter balance is some people genuine need help.
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| I see today Premier League footballers have come together to make a charitable donation to the NHS. Wonderful gesture.
However the NHS is not a charity and should not have to be funded by charitable donations in the midst of a crisis. A sickening indictment of 10 years of Tory rule.
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| Indeed if only Corbyn and Abbott had been at the helm
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| Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"Indeed if only Corbyn and Abbott had been at the helm'" They couldn’t have done any worse than Johnson and his pals have during this pandemic.
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| This dispute / discussion take me back to my schooldays when the headmaster would drop into the class and gave his words of wisdom regarding healthy living ..he was whip thin, didn't drink or smoke and advised us to leave the dining table still feeling a little hungry....He retired at 65 and his funeral was just a few weeks later.
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