It's the same tone from Wires71 that it was 10 years ago. I'd understand his point to an extent if we'd gone three years of steady decline and had no trophies or finals to show for it. The main gripe I have is that last season was our most successful for many years, and to want the coach out after 6 games is plain stupid and disrespectful.

Just thought I would repost original question. !!

Not many people were calling for his immediate sack this was also posted before our poor run and it's a legitimate question given our "most successful" season in many years still left many disappointed and feeling that we underachieved.

Our priority is win the Gf with the cc second and lls 3rd so it's a trophy but the 3rd teir of the 3 to win both makes us unarguably the best team that season and that's where the lls has it's value if you win both

talk of getting to a final being a positive yes if your Widnes or waykey maybe something to shout about but we were ahead and blew the cc final and should have won the gf yet did not turn up.

the regal trophy was contested halfway thru the season where as the premiership was an end of season comp..back then winning the league made you champs and every game try goal and drop goal mattered..we won the premiership in 86 from 4th,played widnes at home then wigan away(paul bishop tormented wigan that day) then halifax in final

Although I disagree with a lot of what Wires71 says he does have a consistent argument. He's not just taken a kneejerk approach and changed his mind - before the season started he was arguing that we needed change because we'd had too many seasons of having the best / one of the best squads and not got over the line and won the Grand Final. His suggestion was to bring in a coach like Hasler, Bellamy or Bennett which in my opinion isn't realistic but it's a fair enough point of view. If we could get one of those coaches then I am sure even the most ardent pro-Smith supporter would see it as something worth considering?

Wires71 wants us to win a Grand Final like we all do and he gives his views on here on what he thinks needs to change to get that, there's no crime in doing that as it is a discussion forum.

I still think we will go unbeaten through April and collect team off the month award.

Isn't it mathematically possible to get into the top 8 today?

I'm not going today.
It's my own fault, but as I saw the fixture with a 3 p.m. kick off time, I naturally assumed it was a Sunday game. As I'm already down on a golf competition's start sheet, with a tee off time of 2 p.m., I automatically thought "why should I disrupt my day, just to go and watch Warrington, when they've been boring the t1t5 off me, for the last few seasons".
.....and there lays the problem. WE'RE BORING.

For a few seasons now, we've been on a steady downward spiral of unimaginative rugby. The last 2 - 3 years have been pitiful, in terms of entertainment.

I went went to last GF with my brother (who was a home regular from the end of the 80's to the beginning of SL, but still watches us on TV, now), and as we left, he turned to me and said "that was awful. Joyless rugby". I agreed with him. IT IS. I couldn't deny it. To use a football analogy, we've almost become like Arsenal under George Graham/Don Howe. Dull but effective. One Nil to the Ars-en-al is now prevalent to us

We don't beat men, anymore. We never look for gaps, 50 yards out. We don't take risks. We have wingers making "the hard yards", and forwards finishing the end of sets of six. SURELY THAT'S THE WRONG WAY ROUND, or am I missing something.?

We've got an NFL "legend" on the pitch, but all he does is shout. I want to see exhilarating rugby from him. All I get is crash balls, or a dive over try from a play the ball.

Patton. He looks to have a great kicking game, but ball in hand, he's merely so-so. As somebody said on the Hudds game thread, bar the stadium announcer calling his name, you wouldn't know he'd played.

Bar the opening few games of last season, when Sandow was playing "off the cuff rugby" we've been painful to watch for 5 years, and it boils down to Smith and his acolyte Agar.

I'd love to know why Poching left the club. An assistant here, overseeing exciting rugby, he then "goes" to HKR to fulfill the same role, but at a club with nowhere near our ambition/capabilities. Very strange. Since then, we've steadily declined, in terms of entertainment. No coincidence.

Let the ostriches on here come up with 2 runners ups and a LLS, for last season. That's their prerogative. I go to rugby to be entertained. Not to have the equivalent of 1980's Italian football served up to me.

So, to those who are going this afternoon, I hope we win, but most of all, I hope you are entertained. You deserve it. I've not been for ages.
I'll have my mobile on silent, but checking for updates. I'm just hoping I sink a few putts on the course.

Come on Wire.

Yes, if we win by 57 or more.

This sums it up perfectly for me. This is EXACTLY how i have felt for about 4 seasons now.

Spot on lefty. I have a season ticket but over the last few years there have been home games where I have been really close to not bothering to go just because it is not appealing as it was. That is not about big name aussie players or people like briers.
Last week's game was far from entertaining but the last 5 mins should have been exciting but strangely It wasn't.

I know we should be entertaining in attack but 4 / 5 years ago I was also entertained by our defence. We used to knock the ball out in a legitimate tackle a couple of times a game (without shoulder charges) but I would be surprised if we have done that twice in the first 10 games. When was the last time we saw a gang tackle and somebody pushed (not dragged) into touch. When was the last time we made a tackle 5 yards out but forced the attacker in goal.

I could go on all day about our attack.

Having said all that I think we could win big today but If we did I suspect it would be more "mechanical" than entertaining.

can't argue with any of that.

a 58 point win will see us romp above Saints................

Smith out.