What's the craic at your gaff then, Ellis and mago (in particular) seemed to give you real edge against us in the pre season game.

What's happening with the other props, who's getting picked out of Partington, havard Byrne and singleton?

We have a team of backrowers. That’s it. Even Cooper is a backrower, he does his best, but alone without a Hill, he’s found out wanting.
I’m not sugar coating ewt, I’ve banged on and on about it since we signed Sims, we haven’t bought a prop since the well passed it Asiteasy.

Every season I’m the hurdy gurdy man, and the tune is always the same.

PACKS WIN GAMES

To be fair RD you have added a new theme that I haven’t seen from you before, namely Cooper is a 2nd row, reliant on Hill and now found out. How this wasn’t picked up at Warrington in his 2 stints or Newcastle Knights when he was there shows how little the professionals know.

Not so much “hurdy gurdy” as “horsey dungy” on this occasion.

You've just poured unmentionables upon the image of Mr Rusty that was in my head.

I think Robbie Mulhern and James Harrison will probably end up being our best possible Prop pairing. But I always thought someone like Samy Kibula could have been the next tank for us in the forward pack, shame we let him go.

For the moment Mulhern is putting in stats at least similar - if not worse - than Philbin, he's part of the problem. Philbin seems to get more criticism because people (rightly) export more of him.

Samy Kibula had all the physical attributes but seemed to lack the impact, aggression and determination to make it as a SL prop, just as most Wigan fans told us at the time.

High hopes for Harrison though.

Like I said. Found out.

But props are no longer like barrels of lard who train in the pub ,they are more athletic & manouverable than they used to be. The game these days ,ever since 6 tackles was brought in, is in need of forwards who are not much different to backs.

Quote(ish) David Fafita
‘We knew they(Wire) was light, and the plan was to run up the middle right through them’

Make of that as you will.

A good Prop or two would certainly not go amiss but it’s not our only problem nor would it be an instant solution. The players have clearly yet to adapt to the Powell system, and maybe some of them never will. The lack of line speed is a concern but I think that in particular we are struggling in transitioning from attacking to defensive shape. Consequently we are turning ball over and then allowing the opposition to march up field and to find huge gaps. Add to that the panic and reverting to what we’ve done for several years under Price and there is clearly a lot more work yet to be done. Hopefully Powell can fix it, and soon.

Made up you mean. Playing 15 years in the wrong position at SL, NRL and International level. He would’ve made one hell of a 2nd row if he achieved all this in the wrong position.

I feel even worse now I know we actually need 4 new props!

You are correct RD he did say that and to be fair so was Fafita, we are light but what I didn't make of it was that he thought Mike Cooper is a second rower

Bring back the beast !!!