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Quote: rubber duckie "Competition is healthy.
Hayes and Leyland will bring out the best of each other.
It could be, that the two of them sit around Drinkwater’s yearly salary too.

Speaking of Drinky.
It was rumoured that Wire were considering a years extension in summer, but talk of him taking up a 3/4 year deal possibly at Salford.
Not heard anything since then.'"

Heard Oldham were interested in him

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So we have Bullock, Dudson, Nicholson, Bruines, Drinkwater, Bateman & Matty Russell gone. Not sure if I've missed any there.

And we've brought in Dan Russell, Leyland and the guy from union 7's.

I'm assuming that some of our squad have had contract uplifts but I'm intrigued whether we have anything left in the pot for further signings, particularly in relation to a 'Big Bopper'. All quiet at the moment in terms of rumours but still think we look a little light in the pack both in terms of size and depth.

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Quote: Kevin Turvey "So we have Bullock, Dudson, Nicholson, Bruines, Drinkwater, Bateman & Matty Russell gone. Not sure if I've missed any there.

And we've brought in Dan Russell, Leyland and the guy from union 7's.

I'm assuming that some of our squad have had contract uplifts but I'm intrigued whether we have anything left in the pot for further signings, particularly in relation to a 'Big Bopper'. All quiet at the moment in terms of rumours but still think we look a little light in the pack both in terms of size and depth.'"


This something I have already spoken about regarding the pack. We have no quota spots available and I’m not sure who is available over here that we could look to bring in. Even if there is someone available it would be cheaper than an NRL signing.

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Front rowers we have - Vaughan, Harrison, Wood, Thomas, Philbin, Yates, Musgrove and Okoro - probably missed someone. Need a large unit off the bench but can't see where that would come from in this country.

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Quote: Kevin Turvey "So we have Bullock, Dudson, Nicholson, Bruines, Drinkwater, Bateman & Matty Russell gone. Not sure if I've missed any there.

And we've brought in Dan Russell, Leyland and the guy from union 7's.

I'm assuming that some of our squad have had contract uplifts but I'm intrigued whether we have anything left in the pot for further signings, particularly in relation to a 'Big Bopper'. All quiet at the moment in terms of rumours but still think we look a little light in the pack both in terms of size and depth.'"

Sam Kasiano too.

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I'd like to think Max Wood will get more game time next year, He's had a good solid first year so looking forward to him develop more.
I think Burgess will be after someone propwise already, or there would be no real reason to offload Bullock if we aren't actively trying to sign a replacement. Unless we just wanted free cap space in case someone becomes available later in the year, Having Bullock as back up rather than nobody at all would be the better option, so i think we'll see another forward come in.
Unless like i've said before, Okoro and Wood and maybe Thomas/Whitehead are having faith put in them to step up and make the difference?

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Front rowers we have - Vaughan, Harrison, Wood, Thomas, Philbin, Yates, Musgrove and Okoro - probably missed someone. Need a large unit off the bench but can't see where that would come from in this country.'"


By some rough salary cap maths I reckon we have space for one more (starting 13) signing, For me it has to go on a back rower, we still look light there to me, Fitzgibbon could well suffer an injury recurrence and Russell hasn't got a great pedigree (so far). I think going in to the season with those two and Holroyd is a risk.

In terms of props, Vaughan & Yates starting with Musgrove, Harrision and Philbin coming off the bench looks 'ok' but I agree having someone who could cause some disruption in the opposition defence would be useful. If I was playing Fantasy Super League I'd swap out Musgrove for another NRL prop - but I can't see it happening and I don't think we have the cap space to do both (unless the salary dispensations mentioned earlier do come off, but seems to have gone quiet on that front).

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Quote: Big lads mate "Heard Oldham were interested in him'"


About his level.
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Quote: Big lads mate "Heard Oldham were interested in him'"


About his level.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... s-30266571


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I honestly think Drinkwater in tge championship will see him back to his best.
He's got a good skill level and rigby brain but not the speed, but the championship is a bit slower than Super league so i think it will give him that extra second to react and make plays.
Same with Dec pattern, apart from the odd game here and there at this level he was always just slightly off tge pace for me. He's done better in the championship icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Or thane "I honestly think Drinkwater in tge championship will see him back to his best.
He's got a good skill level and rigby brain but not the speed, but the championship is a bit slower than Super league so i think it will give him that extra second to react and make plays.
Same with Dec pattern, apart from the odd game here and there at this level he was always just slightly off tge pace for me. He's done better in the championship
In my view Patton was never good enough for a SL side with GF intentions. He's not good enough for SL.
Since us he has gone to Bradford -> Swinton -> Featherstone -> Widnes

But fair play he has a Wembley CC Final winners medal.

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Quote: Wires71 "In my view Patton was never good enough for a SL side with GF intentions. He's not good enough for SL.
Since us he has gone to Bradford -> Swinton -> Featherstone -> Widnes

But fair play he has a Wembley CC Final winners medal.'"


Think the issue with Patton and O’Brien etc was back in the day as a club we never shown faith unlike Wigan, Saints etc. But now with our club going in the right direction and using and looking after our youngsters better think they would have had a better chance here.

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Quote: karetaker "Think the issue with Patton and O’Brien etc was back in the day as a club we never shown faith unlike Wigan, Saints etc. But now with our club going in the right direction and using and looking after our youngsters better think they would have had a better chance here.'"


Mmm, under the current regime, only 1 year ago, we let Riley Dean go. He got 10 games in 4 years. I don't think he got much of a chance.

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Quote: karetaker "Think the issue with Patton and O’Brien etc was back in the day as a club we never shown faith unlike Wigan, Saints etc. But now with our club going in the right direction and using and looking after our youngsters better think they would have had a better chance here.'"


Not sure I agree, Ben Currie being the case in point, he was a regular first teamer at 18, he was clearly always going to be good enough and the club backed him. To a lesser extent, Philbin got plenty of game time as a younger player as well, he was always going to be a decent SL player.

Fact is for a long time the players coming through weren't good enough to be given the opportunity to step up.

On O'Brien and Patton specifically, they played 60 odd and 100 odd games for us, so they were given plenty of opportunity I think. O'Brien was the better of the two, but he wasn't good enough IMO to be considered a starter for a 'top 4 club'.

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Quote: Alffi_7 "Not sure I agree, Ben Currie being the case in point, he was a regular first teamer at 18, he was clearly always going to be good enough and the club backed him. To a lesser extent, Philbin got plenty of game time as a younger player as well, he was always going to be a decent SL player.

Fact is for a long time the players coming through weren't good enough to be given the opportunity to step up.

On O'Brien and Patton specifically, they played 60 odd and 100 odd games for us, so they were given plenty of opportunity I think. O'Brien was the better of the two, but he wasn't good enough IMO to be considered a starter for a 'top 4 club'.'"


We have a long established track record of the following sequence with young players.

1. Promising youth player. Lots of hyperbole and exaggerated claims. 1st team contract.
2. Debut
3. Loan
4. Lots of argument about why they are not getting selected.
4. Another loan, maybe a few more games.
5. Exit to lower league.

As a teaser name the players in the last 25 years who have followed this sequence.

1. Promising youth player. 1st team contract.
2. Debut
3. Wins starting jersey / 1st pick.
4. International representation.

I can think of Phibin, Mike Cooper, Currie doesn't count as he wasn't home grown. Which others?

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