Im glad someone else see's my point off view i stayed and clapped they have played very well this season upto now and i expect we will have more games like the previous games, so i intend to carry on showing my support even at an off game im sure the team will learn from there mistakes yday and build on them.

I have supported Wire for 15 years, i will clap the team off if they have played well and deserve it, they didn't there was no effort at all shown against Catalan, i don't mind losing but when you lose and show hardly any effort then i will not clap, i show my support by turning up too every game they play.

So it's not obvious that I'm a glory supporter

Your wrong and as much as I dont rate clarke I'll defend him on this one. Clarke was the only one who bothered to chase Brough and when Brough stepped him NO ONE had bothered to push up with the same effort.

So as much as Clarke was at fault for chasing Brough down, everyone else was at fault for not making the same effort or at least filling the gap.

Do we think Clarke is going to get his contract extension? Smith is certainly making him work for it (unless I have missed something).

I don't think we were beaten in the forwards. That is an easy thing to say because of the forwards we had sat in the stand and the stereotypical idea that the dragons have a big, tough pack. The dragons defended very well out wide. They had number sliding across who made the right decisions. That combined with some passes that were off the Mark ( Hodgson catching the ball on his toes and myler catching passes that were going behind his shoulder) were the reason we were not as potent as we have been. We came across a team that had a plan of how to attempt to defend against us and we struggled with plan B. Our right edge became blunt with Bridge going off and in the second half we were going more to riley's wing but by the time the ball got there the defence had had enough time to have a quick Camembert sarnie. We did try the short ball from Carvell to myler down the middle but even that failed to come off. The wrapped up Solo in the main and I think they deserved a lot of credit.
It does concern me that a few weapons remain in the locker. Remember the kicks from Briers to the sticks for Myler to chase ( a la Wigan away last year) where have they gone. We must have scored 90% of our tries within 10m of the touchline this season so it does not take a miracle worker to work out what we are going to do.

No way another one for Salford retirement home me thinks,unless a cheeky little move to widnes tickles his fancy!!

On the subject of Clarke, he was poor at the weekend I have to agree, but I'm not yet of the belief that he is any worse than Higham. He seems to escape a lot of criticism but is so ineffective when he's on the field it's untrue, this becomes all the more noticeable on occasions like Sunday when Catalans are allowed slow the ptb down and 'win the floor', he just has no other idea than that scamper.

You find your eyes wandering over to the dugout constantly almost pleading for Monas to come with this left hand gripped around a square carrying the number 9 or 10.

I don't buy this argument that our pack was well beaten today. We were making 50/60 yards per set, they were making 30/40. They broke our line about five times and scored 4 tries. We broke them about ten times and scored 4. We lost on goal kicking which is interesting as I thought the received wisdom was that we'd not do that with Hodgson in the team. So, in effect that loss vs Catalans was just the same as the loss at home to St Helens last year. Hmm.

No one criticised Clarke in previous weeks when we were winning.

Clarke is just too slow and predictable in everything he does, Warrington have become one of the quickest and best sides to watch in SL, the way we move the ball reminds me a bit of saints of old.

Clarke will never fit into a quick playing side where he`d compliment what we do, he`s not quick enough in his thinking to pull it off. His game is pretty basic and fairly easy to read for the opposition, Jon Clarke isn`t the reason we lost on sunday as one player can never be blamed for any kind of loss.

Micky Higham is a very quick player and very quick in his thinking, he quite often puts us on the front foot and he makes it hard for defences to read his play as opposed to Clarke`s basic play, yeh i`d like to see more consistency from Higham but he`s head and shoulders above Clarke in ability and speed of thought.

Here's my twopenneth - although i was exremely upset by the result at the time, the more i think about it i am glad we have got that kind of performance out of our system. Every top team plays like that at least once or twice a year, even wigan last year. It's just that we normally save those kind of performances for the play offs. If we were approaching the back end of the season and hadn't yet had one or two really flat games then i would be a little worried.

Not for me Rob, can read Higham like a book. [size(and not a very good book, certainly not Bravo Two Zero...)[/size

Monas > Clarke > Higham for me. Although If I could put a massive space between Monas & Clarke, I would.

I agree with Rob. I think Higham is the better 9 over Clarke. Remeber the Hudds play off game last year? Higham was one of the few that stood out, when ge came on.

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I agree with your Hooking hierarchy too JWP. I've never really "got" Higham, but maybe that's just me.
With regards to the Clarke bashing.....it was just a matter of time, as soon as we ost a game , and Clarke was involved...well, we all know the rest. IMO, Woody has his worst game for a LONG time, but there's no witch-hunt against him. It's funny, every generation of Wire teams I've seen, HAS to have a scape-goat (cue the picture).....WE WIN AS A TEAM, WE LOSE AS A TEAM.

Oh, and while we're at it, some of our fans are STILL imbicilles. On Sunday, I stood on the half-way line, virtually at the back, and had the misfortune to stand in front of, what can only be described as "the missing link", some fat-head in his mid 50's - obviously old enough to know better. I'VE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH FOUL LANGUAGE, AND WHINGING IN MY LIFE. It must have said the F word about 30 times whilst the Cats player was getting treatment, all this with under 10's being stood around him. Even David Attenborough would have shook his head, and found his behaviour unacceptable.

This thread has been a ritual of Warrington's early season every since internet forums have been invented. After our second defeat of the season one of the loyalists always starts a thread saying "put everything in context".

The difference between now and the DVDV/Cullen eras was that the "don't panic" thread after 2 defeats would usually come in week 3, and you wouldn't have had quite so much excitement from other clubs fans about Warrington losing at home to Catalans, it would be like us hearing Huddersfield got beat by Harlequins, we wouldn't be frantically discussing the implications of the result.

The other difference is now it is more credible to describe it as a blip. In the old days we'd be trying to convince ourselves that once our vast injury list eased and we got Reardon, Sullivan and Rauhihi back off the treatment table that we'd be storming up the league.

To be fair, Higham Day for me, was the CC Quarter Final at Bradford last year. We were rank that day, Higham pulled us through that one. When you go on & win it, it's the little details of how you got there that sometimes get lost.