Please don't entertain him.

Nice to see the forum flooded with Wigan and Saints fans admitting they were wrong about Che...s.

This the same NZ who should of beat the Aussie a few weeks ago but drew?

Also the World Cup winners beating the Aussies?

Gimp

Nobody is down playing our win last night, it was a very good England win that showed grit and determination.

To your first point, the bulk of that kiwi squad are based in Australia and play for Australian clubs.

Your other point where you said it was raining when we played the kiwis in the world cup last year, it wasn`t raining, they blew us away in dry conditions. They showed some of the highlights of that game in the build up on sky.

As for your point about us beating the world cup winners, at leasst 8 of the Kiwis world cup winning team didn`t even travel over to play.

Southern hemispehere teams like to move the ball along the line at every available oppertunity, those conditions last night didn`t allow for that which is why it became a game down the middle for the majority of the night and its why we didn`t see much back play with ball in hand from both sides, both the kiwi and england half backs were spectators for a lot of the game.

Rain and a greasy pitch will always be a leveller to a certain extent when your coming up against sides that like to move the ball along the line at pace, compare the speed at which the aussies and kiwis move the ball in dry conditions to how we moved it against France and Wales, the difference is like night and day.

Even you can`t be that blinkered to say that wet conditions wouldn`t be an advantage to us against either the kiwis or australia.

Also remind us all of who Saints got knocked out by in this year's Cup competition??...

Quote JWP="JWP"It rains an awful lot in NZ, Rob. The players will be familiar with playing in those conditions. Nothing to do with conditions, our pack simply got on top of theirs. End of discussion. Didn't think either backline was too flash, it was whoever got on top in the middle, would go on to win. I think the last World Cup, when NZ did a job on us, it was in wet conditions then, we just weren't good enough that night, we were last night. We were in danger of getting reffed out of it in the first half but did well during that period. I don't think we should 'downplay' this win, far from it. It was the World Champions out there, who drew with Australia a fortnight back, enjoy the win, in fact talk it up, why not, we're all quick to criticise defeat, we should celebrate success in equal measure, not look for ways to 'dumb it down'.'" www.emigratenz.org/NewZealandCli ... l#auckland this would seemingly back up your statement

Quote JWP="JWP"It rains an awful lot in NZ, Rob. The players will be familiar with playing in those conditions. Nothing to do with conditions, our pack simply got on top of theirs. End of discussion. Didn't think either backline was too flash, it was whoever got on top in the middle, would go on to win. I think the last World Cup, when NZ did a job on us, it was in wet conditions then, we just weren't good enough that night, we were last night. We were in danger of getting reffed out of it in the first half but did well during that period. I don't think we should 'downplay' this win, far from it. It was the World Champions out there, who drew with Australia a fortnight back, enjoy the win, in fact talk it up, why not, we're all quick to criticise defeat, we should celebrate success in equal measure, not look for ways to 'dumb it down'.'" www.emigratenz.org/NewZealandCli ... l#auckland this would seemingly back up your statement

Great Coach, not afraid to try something different, glad weve got him at Warrington, best coach by a country mile.

We Beat 3 of the top 5 . Hkr .. Wigan ..... Hudds...... when we played those three iirc they were all on top form too..... oh yeah and at some point during the season all those 3 Handed out a good beating to Saint too ..... Bye now

Nobody is saying that it doesn`t rain in New Zealand or in fact parts of australia like Melbourne and Canberra, parts of NZ has a similar climate to what we have in the uk.

The point is that the bulk of the kiwi squad are based in australia and play their rugby in a far better overall climate, southern hemsiphere teams like the aussies and kiwis move the ball across the line at a far quicker pace than we do, their pivots and backs are more skilful with ball in hand. Add rain to the equasion and it eliminates a alot of the threat.

We played the conditions better last night, the weather eliminated an expansive game which played to our strengths, before the tournament started the majority of people were saying how good our pack looked but the three quarters looked weak.

It will be similar next week if we get wet conditions as it will blunt what the aussie backline is capable of, a game down the middle and we have a chance but if it becomes a game of how skilful and creative both sets of backs are then we will lose. Its not rocket science really.

Only on here can we go from discussing the national coach, to talking about the weather in New Zealand.

you could`nt make it up...must be another bitter and twisted soul...theres quite a few who did`nt like us winning the cup that spout utter bilge on here....

Smith is just cashing in on having a world class set of players at his disposal which was left to him by Jimmy Lowes. It's like Rafa Benitez built his rep on one season winning the Champions League with basically a great team which Houllier had left for him.