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Quote: rubber duckie "....get the Man of Steel...

KURT GIDLEY or CHRIS HILL.

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WARRINGTON WOLVES RL'"


LOL Gidley. Why should anyone suppose he, as a year older, will have a better season than last (which was pretty nondescript at best and woefully wanting if you consider the CC Final goal kicking and that attempt of a tackle in the GF)

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Quote: Wires71 "LOL Gidley. Why should any suppose he, as a year older, will have a better season than last (which was pretty nondescript)'"

Because he is no7 and we are going to win the treble.
Someone has to take credit.
I don't care how old he is...behind the best pack in the league...you'll look like the best half in the league.
I'm also having a punt on Brown for MOS and Lineham for top try scorer.

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Quote: rubber duckie " Lineham for top try scorer.'"

I'd say this is a good bet.
Joe Burgess is the bookies favourite at 6/1, whilst Tom is 9th favourite at 18/1.

Another cracking bet is Catalan to finish top after the regular season at 9/1 with a plus 16 point handicap.

All on sky bet.

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Lineham at the end of last year seemed to have turned a corner, and I would expect him to be first choice. Good bet if so. However TS is a huge Evans fan, and King is the better centre, so who knows.

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But apart from using locally produced players in our squad, the fact that "little Johnny" could one day play for his local heroes could add hundreds of future fans to the weekly attendance figures for many years into the future.It is hard to believe that our Academy system is not capable of producing as much local talent as our rival clubs. The talent is out there & with the right coaching should be no less effective than buying in from Wigan, Saints or Leeds.

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Quote: ninearches "
It's a bit easy to say that but ... over the years has the Warrington area really created the pool of young talent that Wigan has produced? I'm sure the answer is no.

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Quote: ninearches "But apart from using locally produced players in our squad, the fact that "little Johnny" could one day play for his local heroes could add hundreds of future fans to the weekly attendance figures for many years into the future.It is hard to believe that our Academy system is not capable of producing as much local talent as our rival clubs. The talent is out there & with the right coaching should be no less effective than buying in from Wigan, Saints or Leeds.'"


Not as many schools playing rugby these days,in fact I think PE is not done as much as back in the day.

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I think the town could do with another Walter Norris, But even in his day many of our Wire players were brought in from other clubs.

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Quote: ninearches "I think the town could do with another Walter Norris, But even in his day many of our Wire players were brought in from other clubs.'"


If ever anyone deserved an honour it was Walter Knocker Norris. Besides being a good teacher and a great bloke he worked tirelessly for schoolboy rugby league for his school Beamont, the town and Lancashire.

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There'll never be another like Knocker.

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Quote: Barbed Wire "I don't subscribe to the theory that bought in players are treated better than local players. I do believe that there are a number of factors why some fall by the wayside, and they are not all directly to do with how skilful a player is or may well become.

Players are products, they are an investment. And if they are going to produce a return for that investment, they will be signed. If there are factors that may harm that investment, then they shouldn't have the risk taken on them because they are local. The "better the devil you know" mentality is gone, we're in a position to compete for the best, so I think we should.

Junior agegroups go close to predicting who will be in the frame for pro-contracts, but a lot can change between them. Injuries, growth patterns, behavioural patterns, dietary patterns and sometimes players may just become complacent. It's just not an accurate scale to go against, otherwise Pickersgill, Durbin and Bracek would be retiring legends now.'"


The one thing I can say is that the players they are signing from other clubs are definitely getting paid more. And they have agents (or in most cases the same agent).

And the players I mentioned earlier have actually quit the club not been released.

If anyone local is thinking of signing for the club don't fall for the 'do it for local pride' line, get yourself an agent. Or sign for another club then come back to Warrington and you might find you are then valued more as a commodity. Harsh reality for what is a tough and short career.

PS I am aware that of late Wigan have been signing a fair few players from outside Wigan. Sort of unheard of historically and not sure why.

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Quote: mark_m "But again, why? I showed an article which had six local players from a dominant local amateur side with five international standard players from two years ago. None of which have been offered full time terms whilst players have been brought in from other clubs above them and typically on far better terms.

I can guarantee that some of them should have progressed as the ability was/is there.

The whole idea of working in the community is to provide a pathway for local players.'"


Have any of these six players been snapped up by any other clubs, in particular, the five international standard players?

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Quote: TrevorGrice "
Quote: TrevorGrice "But again, why? I showed an article which had six local players from a dominant local amateur side with five international standard players from two years ago. None of which have been offered full time terms whilst players have been brought in from other clubs above them and typically on far better terms.

I can guarantee that some of them should have progressed as the ability was/is there.

The whole idea of working in the community is to provide a pathway for local players.'"


Have any of these six players been snapped up by any other clubs, in particular, the five international standard players?'"


It is three and to my knowledge they have quit the game completely and not even bothered looking elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with their ability whatsoever.

The point I am making is about the engagement and valuing of local players against players being bought in. It is apparent not just in the local players but throughout all squads and over a long period. We still retain that small club mentality when it comes to recruitment (look at the contractual fiasco and money spent on Sandow who royally mugged the club all whilst on a £265k salary).

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Dec Patton has he improved? Quite a few have left since this thread was started.

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Quote: Builth Wells Wire "Dec Patton has he improved? Quite a few have left since this thread was started.'"


Not for me.

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