That's a much deeper routed problem than one coach or set of players fixes IMO. As much as I hate them you have to respect Wigan for this. Their individual players are not anything to write home about at all, yet they share the same clinical execution and refusal to lose as the Hanleys and Edwards from the past.

you keep saying that but its clearly not true.

really?

Why isn't it? When you look at that Wigan lineup, how many stand out as truly elite players? O'Loughlin is incredible, Burgess, Sarginson, Crosby and Bateman look top prospects, but the rest? Your squad has got weaker year on year yet you are going to be back to back champions.

...and for once Saddened, I think you've hit the nail on the head.


Yes, they have quality (SO'L, Green, Smith) but they also have bang average in Dudson, Flower etc, and lets not get overexcited in the likes of Sarginson and Burgess. They're team players and that's it. But that's where the gorilla is excelling himself. He's making a fairly decent team, overachieve.

I wish we could say the same.

Agreed, I enjoyed that game, gutted about the result but onwards and upwards. Fair play to Wigan no major complaints from me about tonight.

Bowen still one of the best full backs in super league
Burgess for me the best winger in super league and tony smith agrees apparently
sarginson - good club man thats it could excel
Gelling the best centre we have had since carmont, people won't credit him because of how green he was before this season
Charnley one of the best wingers in super league
Green the best stand off in super league
smith best english scrum half in super league
Flower rate him the best prop since craig smith, other teams fans won't rate him but he smash people and makes yards all the time
McIlorum say what you want but one of the best hookers in super league and theres a reason people in the game rate him highly
probably the downfall but Taylor when in form is a quality prop
Farrell one of the best 2nd rows in super league
Joel Tomkins far from average need to see how he carries on after returning
O'loughlin Best player in super league

That 1-13 is far from average no matter how much you trying to use "they work together but are average individually" coping mechanism

Can't let the Flower being average comment go.

Dudson is awful (a bag of wind) but Flower is our best prop forward. Crazy comment.

Also Burgess could be very special.

Wrong thread Troll

Terrific game, sad there had to be a loser.... Wire had their chances to win...

Re comments further up, If we are getting weaker, where does that put everybody else?

Gutted we lost but that was a game that I felt we really had no right to be in a winning position, even with the score so close we found it difficult to get out of our 20 never mind half. We had chances but silly play and lack of composure at crucial times was costly.

Memories of the challenge cup semi where Leeds were too physical for us and wore us down, tonight we managed to keep in the game till the last minutes and could have snatched a win.

troll? you need to look up the meaning fella

its a boy or a man.

Why do you troll on every forum?