They have beaten us in the last 3 Grand Finals? I'm not saying we cannot beat them but we are rightly underdogs.

We are underdogs, but that's best for us. Two great teams, and a good match in nice weather, hopefully ending in us edging it slightly. I won't be too disheartened if we don't, based on Wigan on paper (and media hype) being way stronger than us.

Not a bad achievement for a brand new coach with a young squad with very few 'star' or 'world-class' (®[iSt Helens Ltd/Saddened[/i) players.

Catalan attack is absolutely awful, not once did a player take it to the defensive line. Passing so early is allowing Saints to just slide across.

Would like to see that again, Johnstone looked well in front, then again against saints who cares

Yes, I thought that too.

Awful game so far, both teams making errors.

Yep this game is dog s**t so far. especially compared to our games against Cats last week. The totally wicked is like a library.

i think he will give anyone with a slight knock, the week off... everyone else plays... we may find quite a few players with niggles.

Was scratching my head to see how Saints are top of the table so took a look at their results they have only beat one top team all the rest you would have expected them to win. I have not seen anything that says they will win a GF this year.

Turned over to the Giants/ Hull game can’t take hearing ooooooooohhhhhhh whennnnm the saintssssss anymore.

Did anyone watch the Giants game and saw how Yates went on.

The commentator at the giants game called the ref Phil Bentham 3 times within a couple of minutes. Also, there was no tackle count indicator on both games tonight.

The Phil Bentham thing was bizarre,

Fraser Dainton was commentating on Hull KR v Leigh today, and every time there was an error or penalty (which was often), he just kept saying that "the ref has seen something he didn't like". It felt like Dainton didn't know what was happening or doesn't fully understand the rules.

He also gets the players names wrong occasionally as well.