ININOUTOUTYeah just back in now so will watch back later, weather played a part.

Initial thoughts ok performance from most.

Drinkwater was good/OK still needs to get more from his kicks.

Williams/Dufty good.

Musgrove seemed good on return.

Thewlis if we give him stick can he play like that every week.

Lindop good experience but thought was physically not quite there yet.

Atmosphere generally a bit flat they had nothing to really trouble us and we got the result without really clicking into gear.

On a dry night we win than game by 40-50 points.

I just keep hitting refresh till it works, anyways seems there have been issues with site for a while now.

I'm not sure why drinkwater is being picked up on his kicking? His kicking tonight was in a par with what Hayes has been serving up all season and I've seen nothing but compliments about that.

Our short kicking game is fine but I think our long kicking game needs work. Almost every kick from DW or Hayes goes straight to a player. Watch Harry Smiths or Sneyds kicks. They put them into space or behind players and it slows the ball return down a lot more, allowing the chasing players to gain more ground on the attacker. The most effective player at longer kicks this season has been Danny Walker.

Might be me being a bit harsh but, for a centre, I am seeing very little creativity from Toby King. Yes he has physicality but is making few breaks or making room and space for his winger. I know with the new rules he is not taking up a lot of space on the salary cap but he is still one of our highest paid players. Hope he makes me eat my words in the big games coming up.

That all rests on an incorrect belief that all kicks are made on the same level. The most important ingredient in a good kick is a good preceding play the ball.Put Wigan's pack under pressure and Smith doesn't find grass. Likewise, the kicks by Walker you mention come from when he gets out from DH with no set markers.

I don't agree that most of our kicks all go straight to a player, but we haven't been as good in the last few games at creating that space as we were earlier in the season.

You won't see any creativity from him. You will get 100+ tough metres per game, better than most of the forwards, 10 tries per season, and good defence. That's enough for me and it was enough for Wigan.

I also thought Roderick Tai was much improved on his previous appearance - some decent defensive reads and hits and injected pace into the line which created the space for Thewlis’s third try.

Quite a bit of negativity here - some justified but not all imo.

1. Pre match Burgess/Myler incident - I don't know the full details but from what I have seen /heard someone at the club made a mistake - a very basic one. Now if Hull weren't in such a dire position and scrapping for every single small advantage I think they would be more likely to agree to Burgess's request. But they are where they are and in all honesty I don't blame Myler. It was a Wire cock up.

2. Given the conditions we were very unlikely to put 50 on Hull, but it was a 'flat' performance. I do think that with a bit more composure if Hull play like in future they'll win.

3. We had 9 dropped balls / knock ons, and 2 penalties (one for a flop and one a high shot). The conditions dictated the former and that gave Hull some breathing space.

4. The in goal kicking for the repeat sets we had at the start of the match was impressive - even though it only resulted in 1 try at the time I think it gave us benefits later on.

5. Dufty is revelling in his role but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a week off next week as he appears to have quite a few knocks - but that could depend on if Thewlis comes through.

6. Thewlis - great performance, BUT he takes far too many head high shots. Not his 'fault' (would a head guard help?). Whether the offenders should have yellow/red is one point, but the more serious one is concern for his long term welfare. I am very uncomfortable with this.

7. Hull try seemed to me to be a mistake by Lindop coming in when there was no need, but apart from that I think he did ok.

We need to be more consistent in our performances. At the moment we're not playing at the right level to win trophies.

Call me crazy but I think Thewlis leans into a sizeable amount of those high shots. I think he is by far our top penalty winner because of this. He is quite the drama queen and will stay down at the slightest bit of foul play. Brilliant lad and don't blame him as such but if he were on any other team we'd be shouting bloody murder at someone playing for penalties like he does lol.

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How the game has changed that this is centre play. For the better?

I thought King was good. It is what it is with centres these days, there are very few exciting centres out there who can create space for a winger. Players like Lyon, Gasnier, Gidley, Gleeson and the like are just not seen anymore. Even Joey Manu who can do that is being looked at as being “too creative for centre” and they’re looking at getting him on the ball more.

Got the job done last night, not much more than that. But a professional job and never looked like we were at risk, despite missing 3, 5, 7 (a stretch, granted) and 8. Its one of those boring games that is easily forgotten, but usually we make a complete dogs dinner of.

Matty Nicholson will be hoping Williams gets a rest soon, I bet he made 50 tackles again with teams looking to take some energy out of Williams and targeting that right side, but he stood up well again, great engine.

I have to disagree here.
Didn't they say something like 14 (or was it 40?) stitches last night?
His overall size and footwork often means his head is often lower than most BUT the whole point of the new regs is to stop head high shots, so the attackers need to modify their technique.
I certainly wouldn't want to be on the end of any of the bell ringers he takes.
Faking it? Not for me.

Yep you are crazy. But it is a forum so anything goes and you can pretend to be a Wire fan.
"Thewlis is honestly a bit of a wet wipe." was another of yours. WireWireWire my ....!

What the...?

Are we watching the same team here?