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| In a recent defeat when stayed in his box for what seemed like ages before coming down for the post match interviews . That got me thinking what's he like with his players right now? No one can deny his Castleford played some great football in 16 and 17 .
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| BBC have finally announced at 8.30 this morning that Powell has gone.
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| Nothing like having your finger on the pulse ... and that was nothing like it
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| Quote: Wires71 "Abe is this true or another quack?'"
No, not true. There have been no prior negotiations of a pay-off. Such details are already included in coaching contracts. It's common practise for such clauses to be included.
I've read various comments on social media over the past few weeks about DP and the terms ie, someone was adamant that he would have gone but for a £100k pay off he'd demanded, so I can see why some people would think that. But it's not been as complicated.
After the defeat to Wigan on the 14th DP was told there would be a board meeting on Monday 31st if the result against Wakefield wasn't favourable. So after yesterdays game he was invited to the meeting, knowing his time was at an end. He then went in to the press conference and said what he said. He then resigned straight after it, and was told that he was being sacked anyway. So the club weren't going to announce the decision until after the meeting this morning, but then decided to announce it last night due to the news getting out. And before anyone says anything, yes it was me that leaked it. But if I hadn't someone else would have done so, and the same announcement would have been made.
Please don't bombard me with PM's asking about the next coach, as I don't know. I have been told of a shortlist, but that has 4 or 5 names on it of the obvious choices that are currently being discussed on social media. No doubt i'll find out what's happening as things progress.
Quack Quack.
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| Can we get RD to verify Abe's version of events please?
On a serious note, any insight into Powell's fallouts with players or who he wants to drop would be interesting. Clearly issues going on
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| Actually like this post from our friend Saddened.
Warrington's approach is fine, the problem is the staff making the decisions and setting the culture at the top of the club and the coaching. They're investing heavily in staff, players and their academy. Their academy has been criticised for years, but it's vastly improved. They're getting a lot of the big reputation players from Yorkshire and Cumbria now instead of Leeds/Saints/Wigan and they are putting together consistently good youth sides. They lack in bringing them through at the moment as Powell just wasn't about that, he's got more of a Mourinho approach.
They invest heavily in players. They use their quotas and exemptions to the full and they really push the boat out. As I've said the selection of players and perhaps more importantly character is wayward however. But you really can't fault their determination, just their decisions.
If they were to sack Fitzpatrick and replace him with a competent CEO and a Director of Rugby type who could oversee recruitment and youth integration and a competent coach, they would win Super League regularly. Culture is another area that they need to improve on, but that comes from the top. When you've got an absolute chancer like Fitzpatrick at the top of the operational functioning of the club, it's not hard to see why it's unprofessional. There are some horrific tales about how lenient the club are with the players and their non-rugby activities. Last season when they started losing, a lot were blaming it on Powell telling the players they weren't allowed to miss training whenever they needed to in order to deal with their own businesses. They said it was like an amateur side, where certain sessions would have 8 or 9 missing as they were off doing other things.
They have spent more money than anyone over the last 25 years and will continue to do so. Wigan will now match them after their changes. Eventually Warrington will realise their errors and fix them. If they don't, you'd have to question Moran's sanity.
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| Quote: karetaker "Actually like this post from our friend Saddened.
Warrington's approach is fine, the problem is the staff making the decisions and setting the culture at the top of the club and the coaching. They're investing heavily in staff, players and their academy. Their academy has been criticised for years, but it's vastly improved. They're getting a lot of the big reputation players from Yorkshire and Cumbria now instead of Leeds/Saints/Wigan and they are putting together consistently good youth sides. They lack in bringing them through at the moment as Powell just wasn't about that, he's got more of a Mourinho approach.
They invest heavily in players. They use their quotas and exemptions to the full and they really push the boat out. As I've said the selection of players and perhaps more importantly character is wayward however. But you really can't fault their determination, just their decisions.
If they were to sack Fitzpatrick and replace him with a competent CEO and a Director of Rugby type who could oversee recruitment and youth integration and a competent coach, they would win Super League regularly. Culture is another area that they need to improve on, but that comes from the top. When you've got an absolute chancer like Fitzpatrick at the top of the operational functioning of the club, it's not hard to see why it's unprofessional. There are some horrific tales about how lenient the club are with the players and their non-rugby activities. Last season when they started losing, a lot were blaming it on Powell telling the players they weren't allowed to miss training whenever they needed to in order to deal with their own businesses. They said it was like an amateur side, where certain sessions would have 8 or 9 missing as they were off doing other things.
They have spent more money than anyone over the last 25 years and will continue to do so. Wigan will now match them after their changes. Eventually Warrington will realise their errors and fix them. If they don't, you'd have to question Moran's sanity.'"
Can’t disagree with a word he says. He’s spot on.
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| If it is the case that the players have engineered Powell's exit (and the evidence suggests this) then one thing may have eluded the priviledged little mercenaries.
They are now on their own.
Unless they massively turn things round, starting with Catalans, and produce the performances in evidence at the start of the season for the remainder of the season then there is no-one left to blame.
It's on them. They got a bad coach, but a decent man, the sack.
Nowhere to hide anymore.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "If it is the case that the players have engineered Powell's exit (and the evidence suggests this) then one thing may have eluded the priviledged little mercenaries.
They are now on their own.
Unless they massively turn things round, starting with Catalans, and produce the performances in evidence at the start of the season for the remainder of the season then there is no-one left to blame.
It's on them. They got a bad coach, but a decent man, the sack.
Nowhere to hide anymore.'"
Oh they'll turn it on for Catalans for sure, then back to as you were. All Instagram and testimonials. Playing well around contract extension time. The little darlings play when they want. Just as they did under Price.
Powell was a decent man and cared. I don't think he was a bad coach either as evidenced by Castleford making a GF, just our problems are more ingrained and fundamental. Systemic even. I just hope after the shock he can feel that weight lifting off his shoulders.
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| Has the bloke from Bake Off also gone or is it just Powell?
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| Quote: Abe Froman "No, not true. There have been no prior negotiations of a pay-off. Such details are already included in coaching contracts. It's common practise for such clauses to be included.
I've read various comments on social media over the past few weeks about DP and the terms ie, someone was adamant that he would have gone but for a £100k pay off he'd demanded, so I can see why some people would think that. But it's not been as complicated.
After the defeat to Wigan on the 14th DP was told there would be a board meeting on Monday 31st if the result against Wakefield wasn't favourable. So after yesterdays game he was invited to the meeting, knowing his time was at an end. He then went in to the press conference and said what he said. He then resigned straight after it, and was told that he was being sacked anyway. So the club weren't going to announce the decision until after the meeting this morning, but then decided to announce it last night due to the news getting out. And before anyone says anything, yes it was me that leaked it. But if I hadn't someone else would have done so, and the same announcement would have been made.
Please don't bombard me with PM's asking about the next coach, as I don't know. I have been told of a shortlist, but that has 4 or 5 names on it of the obvious choices that are currently being discussed on social media. No doubt i'll find out what's happening as things progress.
Quack Quack.'"
Thank you for your insight, as always. Understated and factual, no trumpet blowing or ego - just the details.
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| Quote: karetaker "Actually like this post from our friend Saddened.
Warrington's approach is fine, the problem is the staff making the decisions and setting the culture at the top of the club and the coaching. They're investing heavily in staff, players and their academy. Their academy has been criticised for years, but it's vastly improved. They're getting a lot of the big reputation players from Yorkshire and Cumbria now instead of Leeds/Saints/Wigan and they are putting together consistently good youth sides. They lack in bringing them through at the moment as Powell just wasn't about that, he's got more of a Mourinho approach.
They invest heavily in players. They use their quotas and exemptions to the full and they really push the boat out. As I've said the selection of players and perhaps more importantly character is wayward however. But you really can't fault their determination, just their decisions.
If they were to sack Fitzpatrick and replace him with a competent CEO and a Director of Rugby type who could oversee recruitment and youth integration and a competent coach, they would win Super League regularly. Culture is another area that they need to improve on, but that comes from the top. When you've got an absolute chancer like Fitzpatrick at the top of the operational functioning of the club, it's not hard to see why it's unprofessional. There are some horrific tales about how lenient the club are with the players and their non-rugby activities. Last season when they started losing, a lot were blaming it on Powell telling the players they weren't allowed to miss training whenever they needed to in order to deal with their own businesses. They said it was like an amateur side, where certain sessions would have 8 or 9 missing as they were off doing other things.
They have spent more money than anyone over the last 25 years and will continue to do so. Wigan will now match them after their changes. Eventually Warrington will realise their errors and fix them. If they don't, you'd have to question Moran's sanity.'"
Absolute chancer is an excellent description.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "Has the bloke from Bake Off also gone or is it just Powell?'"
Gone as well.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Oh they'll turn it on for Catalans for sure, then back to as you were. All Instagram and testimonials. Playing well around contract extension time. The little darlings play when they want. Just as they did under Price.
Powell was a decent man and cared. I don't think he was a bad coach either as evidenced by Castleford making a GF, just our problems are more ingrained and fundamental. Systemic even. I just hope after the shock he can feel that weight lifting off his shoulders.'"
I can agree with some of your comments about him probably being a "decent man" that "cared", (although I don't know him personally) but think that at Warrington he was a bad coach.
Whether that's because he's simply a bad coach, or a bad 'fit' for us remains to be seen particularly if he gets a chance elsewhere in SL. However, as a minimum you'd have to question his man management skills, apparent loyalty to underachievers, and bagging young players publicly.
All part of a coaches remit that also include taking responsibility for the situation the team finds themselves in on a week by week basis and as part of a longer term planned strategy of improvement. It appeared that he readily relinquished that responsibility which made his position untenable IMO.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "I can agree with some of your comments about him probably being a "decent man" that "cared", (although I don't know him personally) but think that at Warrington he was a bad coach.
However, as a minimum you'd have to question his man management skills, apparent loyalty to underachievers, and bagging young players publicly.
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Yes I agree with those points. He also used excuses a lot. But we knew that before he came. He later refined his excuse technique to "I could go on about injuries and suspensions but ..." to try and kid everyone that he was not making excuses but he was. To be honest last night I stumbled on a press conference from the Wakefield game in 2022 when we lost 30-24. It was so similar.
The thing I don't understand is what the heck happened after the 8 games? We weren't playing stellar but were winning and we looked up for it.
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