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| Quote: Barbed Wire "I cant get my head around this “let’s see in 12 months” mentality. We’re going to be seeking major investment from sponsors, season ticket holders and corporate partners. Alongside trying to appeal to players to come to the club (aside from throwing money at them). It’s pathetic. If we were going in the right direction, I’d be half tempted to agree but we’re a basket case.
We need to start looking like a club that isn’t in absolute flipping free fall. Who’s going to renew season tickets to watch that? Who is going to chose us over a proper club if the money is equivalent? We’ll be paying over the odds or shopping in the Ooops section.
The whole thing stinks. The youth have been dropped, the whole squad is underperforming and the only senior player to bear the brunt is a bloody winger!!
The scramble to bring in two props, one of them a 35 year old loanee is admission of failure of the pre-seasons recruitment campaign.
From top to bottom, this has gone wrong. The ship is rudderless. If the rumours are true (Carney all but confirmed it last night) that Cooper has been let go, we will have gone from having a powder puff pack with only 2 decent props, the having a powder puff pack without any in the space of Powell’s premiership. If players are disconnected, get them bloody on side and work with them. If they are genuinely bad apples, STOP BEING A COWARD AND DONT PICK THEM WEEK AFTER WEEK! Can’t have it both ways.
Utterly mindless. Devoid of ideas. The only shining light of last night was the Leeming was good, Jesus wept'"
I feel your passion and you make some very good points but to counter some of them
Recruitment - the squad had been sliding for years, Powell made the mistake of trusting the "challenge accepted" nonsense from Philbin on the packs capability. He had tried to remedy this for next season and this.
Youth - Ashton and Wrench are now starters. Thewlis has missed out because Powell is trying to find a halfback partnership that works.
You are spot on though - he needs to start dropping players. Currie, Philbin, King for starters.
I know we currently stink but succumbing to player power to oust a coach is unthinkable in repercussions. It's not as if they are top world class players we need to keep happy.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Do you really believe we are going to get relegated?'"
The more pertinent question is, if the board really believe that we are going to get relegated. Powell isn't totally bomb proof as he is answerable but not to anyone on here.
There's mounting discontent amongst the fanbase, due to the dreadful performances (Saints aside) where we've shipped 40 points in three games. Dwindling crowds won't help Powell's cause, and it appears that his revolution has not even got out of the starting gate.
Compare his lack of impact on performances to that of Rohan Smith. I know 3 games that Smith has been in charge is a very small sample to compare, but the positive impact he's had to the negative one so far from Powell is clear to see. If we don't improve by the end of July and are in the relegation mix, then Powell's position is under threat.
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| Quote: runningman29 "I know the signs were there in the Salford preseason friendly but who honestly believed this is where we’d be?The whole club from top to bottom has become as Matt Turner said in his Guardian piece toxic.Had high hopes for Powell but a massive fail for me as either his methods aren’t working or the team just don’t want him here.Oh and I’d have Price back in a heartbeat.'"
I was pessimistic because of the state of our pack. I remember in the off season I was saying things like we will probably find that we go backwards relative to where we were under the Price era and most people on here thought I was unduly pessimistic and were saying none of the top teams have a better squad than us etc. I thought we'd finish around 6th or 7th.
The reports from the preseason friendly were a warning sign and the other thing that set alarm bells running for me was seeing Barrie McDermott and Shaun Wane say "I think Daryl Powell has got a huge challenge on his hands" at the time the season started. Those guys will talk to people and be hearing the gossip around the SL scene and I wondered if that meant there were problems in the camp beyond just having a weak pack. I think we were lucky with that win against Leeds in round 1 and without that we'd be on 8 points and in a lot of trouble.
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| Although something is obviously not right, I’m not sure Powell is the problem here. He at least has a record of turning clubs around.
If we fire him now who do we get? An unproven NRL assistant who takes us back to 5 drives and a kick and exits in the playoffs?
There’s clearly more going on and this season is already a write off. The big thing now is avoiding a relegation fight and slowly building things back up in Powell’s way, with the pressure off the team and letting them get some confidence back.
And I’m no happy clapper before anyone asks.
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| Quote: easyWire "Although something is obviously not right, I’m not sure Powell is the problem here. He at least has a record of turning clubs around.
If we fire him now who do we get? An unproven NRL assistant who takes us back to 5 drives and a kick and exits in the playoffs?
There’s clearly more going on and this season is already a write off. The big thing now is avoiding a relegation fight and slowly building things back up in Powell’s way, with the pressure off the team and letting them get some confidence back.
And I’m no happy clapper before anyone asks.'"
Surely an NRL assistant getting to the play offs is better than getting boo’d off and missing the play offs entirely?
If we’re not going to do anything, just go into pre-season mode. Put those not staying for 2023 on gardening leave and build for next year. But with that, you have to accept that you’re risking the corporate image of the club by accepting a 7-11th place finish.
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| Quote: easyWire "Although something is obviously not right, I’m not sure Powell is the problem here. He at least has a record of turning clubs around.
If we fire him now who do we get? An unproven NRL assistant who takes us back to 5 drives and a kick and exits in the playoffs?
There’s clearly more going on and this season is already a write off. The big thing now is avoiding a relegation fight and slowly building things back up in Powell’s way, with the pressure off the team and letting them get some confidence back.
And I’m no happy clapper before anyone asks.'"
It's a good mentality to have that and one I'm sure Warrington's board will share IF they still believe in Powell. It's a risk however as if he turns out not to be the man for the job, you're potentially wasting a few years making the situation worse, then have to embark on another rebuilding phase, so you could be setting yourselves back five years with this move. Only time will tell I guess.
One thing that I've noticed is a lot of people saying this is him exposing and removing the bad elements from Warrington. But if you look at that lineup arguably the players playing the worst in your team are the ones who are staying. That doesn't sound like a situation where the players are buying in and it's just a few stragglers who are being forced out being toxic. The likes of King, Currie, Philbin and even Darryl Clark are way off their best in terms of effort and perfromance levels, but they should be the ones flying the flag for Powell.
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| With the present direction we are heading ,at a rate of knots, at least our loanees will be well versed in the ways of Championship RL for next season.
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| Quote: ninearches "With the present direction we are heading ,at a rate of knots, at least our loanees will be well versed in the ways of Championship RL for next season.'"
If we get relegated, the players will know that their contracts will all include clauses, stating that their current contracts are null and void.
Most of our current players will be offered Super League contracts with other clubs.
This will include our junior players and even players in our Academy will all be cherry picked.
SADLY, that might suit some players, as they can leave for pastures new.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "They don’t have to ‘win 3 more games that’s us’..
They don’t even have to win one or draw one more than us, they could relegate us on points difference alone.'"
They do have to win 3 games more than us. They are 6 points behind us and it's 2 points for a win. When I went to school 6/2 = 3, least it used to be.
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| Quote: Wires71 "They do have to win 3 games more than us. They are 6 points behind us and it's 2 points for a win. When I went to school 6/2
Ah I see what you are trying to say.
Toulouse need to win 3 games period.
You are saying ‘they need to win 3 games more that Wire.’
I’m just saying they don’t, I was thinking you meant finite.
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| I really wanted Toulouse to stay up but things are so bad I’m now at the stage of wanting them to lose so we’re not relegated.
On Powell - Briers made an interesting comment on Sky last night saying at the big clubs you don’t need to make big changes when a new coach comes in. Peet has come in at Wigan and seems to have evolved the team well without any ructions. There are parallels with us in they were competitive but were poor in attack and fans complaining about the style of play etc. So they promoted internally and recruited our assistant coach to work on attack…..
I think Briers was inferring and I suspect Powell has come in and tried to change everything and bought into the culture needs changing narrative but I’d suspect the culture that Smith took on was far worse than the one Powell has. And picking a fight with Cooper seems bizarre to me - Cooper should be his chief lieutenant. Maybe changing things subtly over time is a better policy - it’s easier to get people to buy into things when you’re winning. Clearly things aren’t right - you don’t perform like we have - there’s zero spirit in the camp and some of the signings we’ve made have been abysmal - plus likes of King just been dreadful. Clark seems like a pale shadow of the player he has been. I’m still with Powell for now but we get sucked into a relegation battle then we really need to consider our options. Danny Ward is still available and maybe Briers wasn’t so bad after all…his time at Wigan could end up serving us well…..!!
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Ah I see what you are trying to say.
Toulouse need to win 3 games period.
You are saying ‘they need to win 3 games more that Wire.’
I’m just saying they don’t, I was thinking you meant finite.'"
No from now to the end of the season they need to win 3 games more that Wire to put us equal us on points.
If we win 2, they need to win 5.
If we win 3, they need to win 6
If we dont win again, they need to win 3.
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| Quote: Wires71 "No from now to the end of the season they need to win 3 games more that Wire to put us equal us on points.
If we win 2, they need to win 5.
If we win 3, they need to win 6
If we dont win again, they need to win 3.'"
Isn’t it what I said?
Ok. That then.
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| Quote: ChiswickWire "I really wanted Toulouse to stay up but things are so bad I’m now at the stage of wanting them to lose so we’re not relegated.
On Powell - Briers made an interesting comment on Sky last night saying at the big clubs you don’t need to make big changes when a new coach comes in. Peet has come in at Wigan and seems to have evolved the team well without any ructions. There are parallels with us in they were competitive but were poor in attack and fans complaining about the style of play etc. So they promoted internally and recruited our assistant coach to work on attack…..
I think Briers was inferring and I suspect Powell has come in and tried to change everything and bought into the culture needs changing narrative but I’d suspect the culture that Smith took on was far worse than the one Powell has. And picking a fight with Cooper seems bizarre to me - Cooper should be his chief lieutenant. Maybe changing things subtly over time is a better policy - it’s easier to get people to buy into things when you’re winning. Clearly things aren’t right - you don’t perform like we have - there’s zero spirit in the camp and some of the signings we’ve made have been abysmal - plus likes of King just been dreadful. Clark seems like a pale shadow of the player he has been. I’m still with Powell for now but we get sucked into a relegation battle then we really need to consider our options. Danny Ward is still available and maybe Briers wasn’t so bad after all…his time at Wigan could end up serving us well…..!!'"
IMO Cooper should have tried to embrace the changes Powell is trying to make and not go against it. If Powell had walked into a successful side, then maybe there could be more of a compromise. But this team has stunk the place out for years now and I'm disappointed that players are obviously unwilling to change their ways for the sake of the club, especially Cooper who is a Warringtonian. Sounds to me like he's been one of the main protagonists against the changes Powell is making, and if true, good riddance.
What should Powell do? "Yes Chris, Currie, you're right. You know what's best, let's do it it your way. The club have been doing really well and I don't want to upset your life balance".
Go and do one is what I say. Take Hughes with you and the rest of the half d/spoilt players who won't even put the effort in for the fans who've paid their hard earned money.
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