We are the RL equivalent of Butch Wilkins. Only know how to move from side to side.

Said earlier in the week, our attacking line is far too shallow and so they are all static when receiving the ball - We must be a dream to defend against.

Agree with what both you and LG are saying, we don't seem to able to break down opposition in their own 25.

Tony Smith has stated on many occasion that he didn't coach the attack, as he left it to the players. These repeated comments made me wonder who did, within the group of players we had, as they were rather good at it. This squad is competitive and has good ability, in comparison to the current top 4 in SL. But it could be great if we had attacking structures that got even the best defence on the back foot.

So the charge sheet against Simon Moran is:
- he speaks to his players about his plans for the direction of the club
- he plays football manager (although I don't get the reference to ZX Spectrum...FM has been mainly a PC game, Spectrum was stuff like Daley Thompson Decathlon )
- he has signed / targeted world class players
- Westwood and Briers cited as negative examples

As for coaches not having a Grand Final ring as a player, we had Jimmy Lowes but people didn't like him. Saints jettisoned Keiron Cunningham and brought in Justin Holbrook. Holbrook played a handful of first grade games in the NRL and was predominantly a back up. How would international players in the Saints roster be expected to respect him, after they've just had a legend like KC.

Moran and Middleton are like us on here, fans (but we have thinner wallets)

Just as DSM may spot a talent on his weekends watching the NRL, someone like Deus Dat Incrementum will say "boll0x, he's crap".... it's all about opinions.


(if what we hear is true) Moran is having an input on personnel /recruitment. That's not in his remit. His is concert promotion. His (and Middleton's) input should just be cash and good will. If anyone's seen the film [iThe Damned United[/i and remembers the relationship between Brian Clough and his Derby Country chairman Sam Longson will know exactly what I mean.

Another point is.... How many times do you reckon we get a bit of a roll on or catch a kick on the full, only for Charnley to take the next drive and rather than hit the floor and keep the momentum going he rolls around on the floor looking for a penalty....

Just get up and play it ffs. The opposition is on the back foot struggling to make the 10 meters and he's balling about looking for a pen or back to 6. Really starting to grind my gears.

Football Manager was originally the name of another game on ZX Spectrum in the 80’s. When the makers of Championship Manager split from the publisher Eidos and required a new name they bought the Football Manager name.

It was the right action to take before ‘Six again’ as he did get awarded a fair amount of penalties. Now though we’ve got to play the ball quick when we can, and get a roll on.

Charnley was one of the best players on the pitch last night. He had a great game and got us out of a lot of trouble at times.

If he's been able to use his contacts and influence to land blue chip players, like Johns and Inglis, who otherwise wouldn't have looked twice at us then that's good. I don't think Johns and Inglis are responsible for us to be failing to get over the line.

Which other 'Football manager' type signings, has Simon Moran supposedly been forcing on the club? Are there any stories about this in the press or is this just one of those where people on this forum invent their own reality about goings on behind the scenes, like when Agar was here, and his remit varied from putting out the cones to player recruitment to spoiling our attack or whatever, depending on what we needed to hold him responsible for.

I'm not sure which 'Football manager' type players we are blaming Simon Moran for having undue influence in us signing? Is it Morley? Hodgson? Ratchford? Myler? the Monaghans? Daryl Clark? Charnley? Austin? Widdop? Inglis?

Good old sally, playing devil's advocate.

I'm just wondering who Oasis and Take That's concert promoter's s contacts in the rugby league world, are.
Call me cynical, but I'd rather take Cullen and Price's contacts, rather than a bloke who's adverts appear in the classified section of the NME. After all, that's what Moran (and Middleton) employ coaches for, in the first place.
What's next? Moran organising set plays (if we have any), or tactics to actually win the GF?

Hasn't Inglis been signed as a 'gift' to the fans?... he was, and could still be, a great player, but it doesn't exactly smack of a long term plan. More a vanity project to get the club more headlines... Johns signing was the same - all about the headlines.

I'd even suggest the signing of Joel Monaghan was an unneeded (at the time) signing and more about the attention it got, considering he was brought in for a guy who had just scored a hat trick in a CC final.

Throw in the Luther Burrell signing, which nobody at he club has ever tried to explain the logic of. Again, it just smacked of another pointless gamble which garnered a few headlines.

The whole point is that Mr Moran should not be anywhere near the recruitment of players and the building of the squad.

(bar Monaghan) If ever a emoji deserved a x1000 elevation, this is it

I'm still scratching my head over the Inglis signing. Yes, it gets us media presence (in the RL press). Ask your regular punter who reads the printed press, or looks at BBC/Sky Sports website, tomorrow, and they'll say "Greg who? What does he do??" it's been forgotten about, already
He's famous to people like us, RL fans. He's....
Retired
Dodgy knees
Signed at the time when there were NO GAMES, let alone spectators clicking turnstiles.

I hope it works
I WANT it to work
I've got more doubts than Brian Unsure. The most sceptical man who's unsure about what his name is

Inglis isn’t going to be the answer. This time last year, Widdop was going to be.

A few good shows and a few shirt sales.

Back in the cold cold days of Wilderspool we got pie &peas and watched a rugby match, we enjoyed it win lose or draw because that was where we were at. Now we move forward to today we have a great stadium and good facilities but it’s no longer about the game on the field.


I use to go to the fans forum I didn’t attend after the last one I went to, someone asked me that one time but I felt it was not the right time to answer, now I’ve changed my mind.

In that meeting the subject was fan entertainment, so I spoke up and said that’s dependant upon what is going on on the pitch, the answer I got is we are trying to move away from that, to say I was gobsmacked is an understatement. So I asked would you rather me sitting there clapping when we are getting beat 80-0. Well apparently it’s about the whole day now from when you enter the ground to have a fun day basically.

Well I’ve always said it, sport at any high level that depends on fans needs winning teams fans are fickle if results are bad they stopping going, putting jedward on won’t keep them there, infact as I recall some ppl left after they had done their bit. Anyway my point is you want a larger crowd you need a winning team.

I was in sport a lot in my time and always played to win that is ingrained in me, some of the posts I read on here are ppl just happy to be 2nd best.

PS never went to that game couldn’t stomach seeing that pair of pillocks.