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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Makes you appreciate that Chris Riley, for all the flak he got, was actually a good winger.'" But he did have the benefit of playing outside the likes of Martin Gleeson and Matt King |
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People keep banging on about the 'financial resources at Tony Smith's disposal', but we do have a salary cap to adhere to, you know?
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| Quote: Moe syslak "But he did have the benefit of playing outside the likes of Martin Gleeson and Matt King'"
Riley mostly played outside Ryan Atkins during his prolific seasons for us. |
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I disagree Sally....the discontent started to fester about his ability during his partnership with Atkins...more so his defence.
Like I said....a reoccurring issue.
Playing outside Atkins looks to be a poison chalice.
I've asked the question has Lineham scored more tries than he has had passes off Atkins?...well yes.
I think the 1st row of the stands has had more passes than Lineham from Atkins.
Im no rugby player now...but if I found a lack in my game...I'd be working on it...I'd have a target drawn on a wall and be passing to the bullseye over and over and over...until I get it right.
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Riley's best seasons for us were 2010 (29 tries in 34 games); 2012 (29 in 35) and 2013 (19 in 33).
Martin Gleeson left in 2009, Matt King left at the end of 2011, so the only one of those seasons that had either Gleeson or King in the team was 2010. Generally Riley and Atkins were on the left hand side and King and Hicks were on the right, but King played a fair few games on the wing as well (Riley played fullback sometimes).
Also Atkins and King were only in the same team in 2010 and 2011. In both years, Atkins got more try assists (13 and 12) than King (12 and 7). ( www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... ayer_stats).
Another point to remember about Riley is he wasn't getting tries laid on by Briers kicks as much as the other side of the field, where Hicks, King and later Joel Monaghan were. So whilst Riley benefited from being in a very successful side as did the rest of the three quarters, his try record needs to be seen in the context of being on the less glamorous side of our attack. |
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Riley's best seasons for us were 2010 (29 tries in 34 games); 2012 (29 in 35) and 2013 (19 in 33).
Martin Gleeson left in 2009, Matt King left at the end of 2011, so the only one of those seasons that had either Gleeson or King in the team was 2010. Generally Riley and Atkins were on the left hand side and King and Hicks were on the right, but King played a fair few games on the wing as well (Riley played fullback sometimes).
Also Atkins and King were only in the same team in 2010 and 2011. In both years, Atkins got more try assists (13 and 12) than King (12 and 7). ( www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... ayer_stats).
Another point to remember about Riley is he wasn't getting tries laid on by Briers kicks as much as the other side of the field, where Hicks, King and later Joel Monaghan were. So whilst Riley benefited from being in a very successful side as did the rest of the three quarters, his try record needs to be seen in the context of being on the less glamorous side of our attack. | |
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Evans has been directly responsible for both losses imo making critical errors resulting in tries.Another worry is that in the last two games, one missed tackle has led to length of the field tries. Where is the cover?
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Makes you appreciate that Chris Riley, for all the flak he got, was actually a good winger.'"
Riley's defensive lapses, positioning and inability to read play were excruciatingly poor. |
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| Quote: paul kearsey " Where is the cover?'"
There is no cover because there is no speed in the back line. Castleford exposed that weakness very well on Friday. The responsibility for this lack lands directly on the desk of TS and before anyone jumps in no I don't want him out, I want him to address the weakness of the team he has built. We have a one trick game which bulldozes the opposition and we score over the top of them and nothing else? |
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Riley's best seasons for us were 2010 (29 tries in 34 games); 2012 (29 in 35) and 2013 (19 in 33).
Martin Gleeson left in 2009, Matt King left at the end of 2011, so the only one of those seasons that had either Gleeson or King in the team was 2010. Generally Riley and Atkins were on the left hand side and King and Hicks were on the right, but King played a fair few games on the wing as well (Riley played fullback sometimes).
Also Atkins and King were only in the same team in 2010 and 2011. In both years, Atkins got more try assists (13 and 12) than King (12 and 7). (
Good stats and I enjoyed your opinion of them. However...
2012 was a year of exception. Near perfect attacking completion and little defence. Richie Myler serviced Atkins and Riley very well on the back of that excellent completion.
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| Quote: DAG "People keep banging on about the 'financial resources at Tony Smith's disposal', but we do have a salary cap to adhere to, you know?'"
Correct, and for the money Atkins is on you could bring in a world class centre who can create space and actually pass a ball. Get rid of Russell and Evans and we could bring in a world class Winger. |
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| Quote: The Riddler "Riley's defensive lapses, positioning and inability to read play were excruciatingly poor.'"
I'm sure I'm not the only one that believes Riley was regularly left stranded by his centre...as was Penny...I suspect Rileys height was the real issue although that doesn't stop a current winger from being selected (his inability to catch a high ball is another issue). |
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| Quote: Captain Hook "I'm sure I'm not the only one that believes Riley was regularly left stranded by his centre...as was Penny...I suspect Rileys height was the real issue although that doesn't stop a current winger from being selected (his inability to catch a high ball is another issue).'"
Riley was not up to the standard, that's why when he left he ended up in the lower divisions. Which is exactly what will happen to Evans. |
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Every time a thread about our centres ends up on here I turn into an apologist for Rhys Evans. Once again he has another halfback and second rower to get used to.
We finished last season with Gidley on the right and Patron on the left. Now it is patton on the right and Brown on the left. Until Currie's injury Hughes was on the right and towards the end of the year it was Sam wilde and now it is sevelio. And from what I recall Lineham was right winger last year and now he has switched to left wing.
I do wonder why we have moved Hughes over to left second row and swapped left and right wingers. It can't help combinations. Because when Currie is back Hughes will move back to right second row. Better to just put Sevelio at left SR.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Riley was not up to the standard, that's why when he left he ended up in the lower divisions. Which is exactly what will happen to Evans.'"
I think Riley did a great job for us and although I think we could have had another year or two from him I understand why we let him go.
But actually I'm not certain we've really got anyone who's better at the moment.
Potenially we could have but how long until they develop? |
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| Quote: moving on... "Correct, and for the money Atkins is on you could bring in a world class centre who can create space and actually pass a ball. Get rid of Russell and Evans and we could bring in a world class Winger.'"
If only things were that simple, eh? And Atinks, you mean one of the best centres in the league last season? |
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