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Quote: the flying biscuit "I havent been this concerned about our back line since we had Rhys Williams in it........

I have zero belief we can win this Final as it stands....its been an unbalanced squad for weeks...and we aren't troubled by major injuries but the team never "feels" right.....

Russel for me is Fullback or nothing I'd prefer Ratchford in the centres and I'd just like two wingers playing on the wing........ if we go into the final with Atkins being the only player playing in the correct position in the backline it will be a right mess for us.......

I Fancy Minichello will waltz the Lance Todd trophy.......

but hey ho its Wembley and the Pies Saint's and Widnes wont be there......'"


You say untroubled by major injuries, but how many games have Mitch Dodds, James Laithwaite, Ben Harrison, Ben Evans and Gary Wheeler (who played a good centre on the rare occasion he could walk) played between them this season? We should be coping better with the squad we have, especially as its forwards we have out and backs we have problems with, but it's not like we are untouched by the current plague of long-term injuries this season.

I think I agree with Russell at full-back, especially as one of his main weaknesses - catching - is still a weakness on the wing! He seemed to do a pretty good job there in our 7-game winning run at the start of the season too, while Ratchford has everything you want in a centre, assuming he is happy to play there. That's the main problem I think, our players want to play in a different position to where we think they're suited! Evans doesn't look comfortable on the wing anyway, and it sounds like King is out of his depth.

Do we know anything for certain about Penny being injured in that reserves game? 'Bad form' or not, it'll be an improvement on what we have now.

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I can't believe people are talking about wholesale changes.

I would be tempted to move Evans back into the centre and put Penny on the wing but that is it.

Shame Lineham has been such an idiot because a game like this could have been ideal for him.

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Quote: ScouseWire "Yeah I did. Johnson if hes fit is a very high quality player and given that our backs at the minute are in absolutely awful form except for Atkins I would go that way. Matty is exceptional at going sideways but he isnt a winger and Sneyd will just turn him around even at full back his dealing with kicks worry me. Johnson looks composed dealing with kicks has some decent pace and will have some confidence about him. Toby King at the minute looks lost hasnt a clue where to be or what to do play him at Wembley and Yeaman will terrorise him. Get our best centre in the centre Ratchford (hes no full back either). Evans has some pace and can defend get him on the wing as Lineham has been woeful'"


Top idea that. Take a young lad whose only had a handful of first team games and put him in one of the most pivotal positions on the field on the biggest stage in the country. Unbelievable.

As mentioned above I would make one change. Rhys back at centre and Penny on the wing. I like King and see a lot of potential but this isn't his time I'm afraid. other than that, same team as last week, Bailey will offer us much needed pack aggression and will get under the skin of the Hull forwards. Dwyer coming on will be the difference between the two teams.

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Quote: moving on... "Top idea that. Take a young lad whose only had a handful of first team games and put him in one of the most pivotal positions on the field on the biggest stage in the country. Unbelievable.

As mentioned above I would make one change. Rhys back at centre and Penny on the wing. I like King and see a lot of potential but this isn't his time I'm afraid. other than that, same team as last week, Bailey will offer us much needed pack aggression and will get under the skin of the Hull forwards. Dwyer coming on will be the difference between the two teams.'"


Like he was in the league game at the Halliwell Jones?

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Quote: Wilde 3 "Like he was in the league game at the Halliwell Jones?'"


You're going to have to specify... who is 'he' and what was he doing?

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Quote: mark_m "I can't believe people are talking about wholesale changes.

I would be tempted to move Evans back into the centre and put Penny on the wing but that is it.

Shame Lineham has been such an idiot because a game like this could have been ideal for him.'"


I tend to agree with the first part of you post but I'm not sure Russell stays for me and that's the conundrum that we have been playing with recently can we shuffle to cover Wings and hence there is opinion and speculation over the back line particularly.

People have been very quick to bag T King but Castleford were up for it and as far as mistakes go, their ONE try was a consequence of Russell's error not King's, he also had an easy ball steal second half I think that turned over possession. I think that Russell will be getting a lot of kicked ball on Saturday and I'm not confident that he will cope.

As far as Lineham is concerned, I think Hull FC would be equally delighted to see his name on the team sheet and not just because he may, or may not have been an idiot here. They would be confident of handling him offensively and as far as defence goes say no more, especially on that pitch kicked to death. We may be in any event but Lineham would openly invite that play....there aren't too many wingers that can fill Rhys Williams's shorts if you pardon the expression

Fitness being equal the idea of Johnson and Penny on the wings isn't so daft IMO at least they have pace and can catch, Evans back to centre with Atkins, Ratchford stays at FB

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Quote: Uncle Rico "I tend to agree with the first part of you post but I'm not sure Russell stays for me and that's the conundrum that we have been playing with recently can we shuffle to cover Wings and hence there is opinion and speculation over the back line particularly.

People have been very quick to bag T King but Castleford were up for it and as far as mistakes go, their ONE try was a consequence of Russell's error not King's, he also had an easy ball steal second half I think that turned over possession. I think that Russell will be getting a lot of kicked ball on Saturday and I'm not confident that he will cope.

As far as Lineham is concerned, I think Hull FC would be equally delighted to see his name on the team sheet and not just because he may, or may not have been an idiot here. They would be confident of handling him offensively and as far as defence goes say no more, especially on that pitch kicked to death. We may be in any event but Lineham would openly invite that play....there aren't too many wingers that can fill Rhys Williams's shorts if you pardon the expression

Fitness being equal the idea of Johnson and Penny on the wings isn't so daft IMO at least they have pace and can catch, Evans back to centre with Atkins, Ratchford stays at FB'"


I thought both Russell and TKing did everything they could on Saturday to play themselves out of contention. Although Russell is great when we get a quick ruck.

I am one for the underdog story and it would be great to see Lineham get redemption at Wembley and score the winning try. I won't hold my breath lol

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Quote: Builth Wells Wire "If Westerman is doubtful. Ratchford to take his place. Russell to full back & Penny on the wing.'"

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Quote: Wilde 3 "Like he was in the league game at the Halliwell Jones?'"


It is amusing to see how many Hull fans are lurking on this board this week, waiting for an opportunity to jump in if anyone questions their brilliance.

I'd make the Penny-King switch: I cant see there bring any others though.

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One other [ipotential[/i solution, and not one I'd rule out, is that Currie goes to centre. As well as taking a potentially fragile T.King out of the equation it will stiffen up the defence outwide. So that would be Ratchford, Evans, Atkins, Currie, Russell.

This would obviously depend on Westerman's fitness, and would mean Westwood slotting in at LF and playing big game time.

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Westwood looking spent. 80mins from him risky.

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "One other [ipotential[/i solution, and not one I'd rule out, is that Currie goes to centre. As well as taking a potentially fragile T.King out of the equation it will stiffen up the defence outwide. So that would be Ratchford, Evans, Atkins, Currie, Russell.

This would obviously depend on Westerman's fitness, and would mean Westwood slotting in at LF and playing big game time.'"


Good shout. We'd be going back to the Tony Smith favourite of using the LF position as an extra prop. Could come in handy against the big Hull pack. tiredness and Fatigue from big minutes would surely see us open up and allow Sneyy'snip'd to do whatever he wants and run the show. closing him down is vital. fast line speed and close him down, just like we used to do to Tomkins.

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I'd put Atkins on Snyde

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I can see Currie being moved to centre in place of T King with Westwood at LF.
Clark to do the big minutes (maybe even full 80) covering LF when Westwood is spelled with Dwyer.

Bit of a risk but I can't see Smith will making more than 2/3 changes to last weekend's 17.

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Doesn't matter who it is. I'd take a Yellow card. Two men need to get in his face [Sneyd] and bend him in half. if he takes a ball in, let him have it. Don't give him an inch of room and scare him out the game.
Line speed has to be mega. too many times we stay back and allow teams to run at us. we need to get up and hit them before any momentum is gained. Win the collision, win the floor and have to ruck played at our speed.
I don't think trying to complete sets and settle into the game will help up. I think going back to trying to blow teams away in the first 20 then dictate the play will suit us and playing against a side like Hull will win it for us.
Hull are used to teams trying to calm the game down before dominating the middle and running over them. If we rattle them early doors then they're in uncharted territory and the occasion will get to them.

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