There are always positives to be taken from a defeat, today's defeat has saved the dire from being totally embarrassed at Wembley.

Next year will be your year. Not

We have know all season we aren't good enough... we all pretty much knew we weren't going to win a trophy... so nothing has changed really.

Lets see how next season goes.... If after the first 8 games we are still looking hopeless then its a case of making changes at the top.

One thing is for sure, Smith needs to get some decent forwards in before next season... 2 new props is absolute minimum i think.

Can anyone come up with any valid reason that Wheeler was played today? That decision alone baffles me.

Yes today was dreadful like most of the season has been. Can anyone honestly remember England ever having a half decent game for us?? He is stealing a living and was anonymous today.

Without thinking any further than this answer: we needed 17 bodies. That's the best I've got.

Whilst he's a decent player when fit, he came across today as the talented but mardy kid at school who says they've taken a knock if things are getting tough.*

*(not meant as a personal attack on a guy who's obviously had a lot of bad luck)

As someone who has followed the club for 53 years and went home and away to Barrow, Batley, Mansfield, Nottingham etc, I never thought back then that this day would return in my lifetime, so I am just so happy to get to a cup final and am going to enjoy the day, win or lose. My brain as an RL fan say's that Leeds will win, but we tend to play with heart in big games, so anything is possible.

Don't fell sorry for us, we will sing and support our team no matter what the result on the day.

Am I the only one who thinks there's still potential in England? Big unit, got a bit of a nasty streak. Punches below his weight I think and seems to miss a fair few games but I still think he can get it together.

Agreed, and that's not with hindsight, the group I was with were all surprised by that when we first heard it

How do we go from the performance at Castleford to the lack of performance yesterday? It's happened too many times this season when our optimism has been replaced by despair ,we can blame Asotasi,England and Gaz but, they all played against Castleford,was losing Bennie and russell the problem ? We've been missing Russell most season but , I think Westwood is always a huge miss ,his aggression has been fundamental to our best performances this season

He played well in World Series , but had a bad injury from the game,, rumours are he still needs an operation for torn ligaments in his elbow region,, which would be 8 weeks out, TS asked him to play with injections and strapping till end of season to have op straight away,, so I am wiling to give him one more season fully fit,, before pulling the pin,,,

I tend to agree with the Russell statement, when he is at full back we seem a lot more organised defensively and the results with him starting have mostly been wins,, I think ratchford has been poor by his high standards over the last 6 weeks,,

To be fair on ratchford he doesn't know if he's coming or going playing full back , centre , stand off, loose forward, he can't get a settled position which is Purely down to a coaching decision where he plays each week on who gets injured it must be frustrating for him .

We should have put Penny at #1 . Not have played Wheeler & played Ratchford at centre.