I went and it's not that I want Smith out!!! I am just worried that maybe he has taken the current set of lads to where he can.

The man has been great for us since watching in Wilderspool days then Cullen gave us stability and a better side.

Tony Smith has delivered trophies, took the side to one of the top in SL and shown us some very entertaining rugby, however, this season is so poor, with Friday being awful!!

As someone has posted previously, I wonder what Simon Moran thinks at the minute.

He'd be right at home here.... he's got a former top side playing terrible rugby. .. His star player only shows glimpses of what he's capable. ..Their defence at times is paper thin and their once reliable attack is misfiring. ..

he lost Glenn Stewart, Anthony watmough, and George rose who all wanted to stay he's replaced them with the horrendous Willie Mason and the only rubbish Burgess brother. ...They've got ageing players like jamie Lyon who can barely get on the field. .. and the injured for 80 minutes in every game Steve matai. They can't keep hold of Foran so they are going to get even worse.

I'm still to catch up on this weekends nrl but I believe manly have just climbed off the bottom of the table. ...

sounds like Toovey is a dead cert for the wires job.

I think that recruitment is the one area where TS has let himself and the club down. The fact that we are 'clueless' in attack at the moment is easily explained. Two years ago we had a spine consisting of three of the most creative players in the game: Hodgson, Briers, Monaghan. Each has left the team in turn. Last year we coped with the last of the trio still opening the gaps for us. The TS plan has been to replace Monaghan with Clarke - a different player but devastating for Cas ( and England in Aus ). This has not worked. Clark has been so disappointing. TS has clearly also anticipated that the other halves at the club would step up. Unfortunately it has proved to be the case that O'Brien ( of whom I've been a great supporter ) and Myler are good, but not great, players, not up to delivering a champion SL side. Patton is still young so we need to give him time ( though I said the same of O'Brien ). Morgan Smith is the 'hot youngster' now in the halves but who knows how his development will turn out over the next two years?

Losing this spine has cost us all of our creativity. The answer in the short term is the almost impossible task of persuading a top Aussie 6/7 to come here. In this regard, TS is in as good a position to deliver as anyone in SL.

I agree. It is his job to get us out of this. He's paid enough, he's good enough, he's experienced enough and respected enough. But the proof is in the proverbial pudding and he's got to dish up better than this...but it's him i want to do it, for sure.

It seems the Giants have just recruited a decent player from the Storm. Is it a case of we are aiming to high with our recruitment or players just do not want to come here to play for us, ive seen other teams signing players from Aus but we seem to be struggling to attract the class player we need why.

I know an ex director who said he has already told SM, TS has gone beyond his shelf life. He also told him we need a hb and a prop.

I go plenty (no, I didn't go to Hull KR, soz) and I find it utterly unfathomable that there are adults watching Wires who want Tony Smith to go. Kids who know no better? Yeah, maybe. People who remember years and years of underachievement or outright failure that all changed when Tony Smith arrived? Absolutely unbelieveable.

You don't even need to go back to very long before Smith came in to find that failure either. Remember when Matt King was arguing with fans calling him all sorts during a 60 point humiliation in London? Remember when Michael Monaghan was being compared to Michael Sullivan? Remember when Lee Briers was being held up as a figurehead for ten years of Warringtonian underachievement and linked with a move to Dewsbury? Remember when a lifelong fan, born and bred in the town who had served the club with all his heart as a player and coach for many years was getting horrific abuse from the away end in Wigan because he just couldn't push us any further despite his best efforts? Remember when his replacement bombed in no time? Remember when a trip to Knowsley Road was about as appetising as a trip to Dignitas?

All of the above was happening as recently as 2008 or 2009, nevermind a bit further back on the crumbling terraces at Wilderspool watching Wigan win everything in sight. The club was already in the HJ, Simon Moran was already at the helm - hence why the abovementioned King and Monaghan were here in the first place, as well as the likes of Morley, Hicks et al - but Warrington were still Warrington and still not up to the job when it came to actually winning things.

If you do remember all that - and there won't be many on here who don't - then remember who changed it all and be careful what you wish for.

WE'RE ON THE MARCH WITH TONY'S ARMY

oh, in that case, everythings fine.... nothing to see here.

Of course it's not fine, but even Wigan went eight years without a trophy not so long ago and they're the biggest club in the game. Indeed without a salary cap fiddle they were punished for the following season they would have been relegated in that time. Saints who have been the most successful club overall in the Super League era went eight years without winning a Grand Final and lost five in a row. Leeds have had phenomenal success in that period (started off by Tony Smith coincidentally) but went 15 years without a Wembley win while Warrington enjoyed three. I'll leave Bradford out of it because no coach could have solved their financial problems.

The point is no club has a God given right to win everything in sight, and until that honour from upon high suddenly finds itself bestowed on Wires, I'll take a couple of transitional seasons on the chin and get behind the man who gave us our first Challenge Cup in 35 years and our most successful period overall since the 1950s. Calling for his head is absolutely outrageous.

OK lets not call for TS's head. But can we ask him to face the facts that the team look lost and disinterested at the moment. How can we have beaten Leeds twice this season and took Saints and Wigan close yet bomb against lower place teams. Even Tone can't keep blaming short turn arounds and injuries. Yes I know how many long term injuries we have, and have had, but other teams have had the same problems without looking like lost sheep. If the players attitude isn't right then it is TS's job to find out why and solve it. If he can't, or won't admit the problem, then let somebody else try - as long as it isn't Agar.
Compare our teams attitude with that of Castleford. Miles apart.

I think Warrington know exactly who they are signing.
I'm very sure we bagged a halfback when GOB got the u'turn. It maybe have been nothing more than a wink and a nod of a off record promise, but something has to attribute to that decision.
As with Clarke, at that level of patience, it must surely be a biggie.

I think a major reason that we are struggling is the amount of young lads in the team.Saints are have problems & so do Wigan. The clubs who voted to do away with intermediate age groups have done the game a great disservice by agreeing to run with under 19s then straight to superleague....maybe in a year or two the differences in playing staff will even out. The teams who are doing well this year are the ones with bulked up ,open aged ,experienced players ,no matter how mediocre they are but at least they have experience & suddenly start to look good.Admittedly, Saints & Wigan are coping better than us ,but experience does seem to be making a difference this season.

Yeah, I remember that. It was Smith's 2nd game in charge

Haha, fair tackle. You get the general point though.