We played one man rugby.
We don't have set play to deal with poor conditions.

Wigan did have and were threats every time.

We had no one and no idea how to break them down.

I think if you were to put your finger on one main problem aside from creativity it's is a real lack of any pace.

i wonder if we said that after you beat us? Awful how so? scored break away trys, broke tackles, played around the outside of you, kicking game was class and defence was to shabby either. Just because your team can't kick to save its life or put on a decent set play doesn't mean your defence is terrible, which it isn't. Also did you see the weather its hardly going to low error count either.

Seems some Wire fans are trying consolidate them selves by making out Wigan played poorly which they didn't even with O'loughlin and McIlorum out.

Will offer a bit of starch to the forwards. Always impressed with Harrison when i have seen him, hits hard and is hard to stop.

Dubairl - Wigan were ok but you can't honestly be pleased with that surely?

If that was the case, why did it take Lee Briers a decade to win a trophy with the club?

You are certainly looking a bit rudderless without Briers but its very early for knee jerk reactions.I thought Matty Russell looked very good when he came on and maybe having him as the starting full back and Ratchford in the halves will be the answer.Eventually you will find the right formula and come the end of the year still be in the mix.

I like how soon G'OB is being written off.

For the past few weeks the debate on here has been about G'OB having earned his chance for a run in the side because he's proved himself the most creative of our backs and what signal will it send to other young players at the club if Smith drops him now?

Nothing so far this season has really surprised me, we have won the games we should have won and we have been outplayed by the better teams, that is where we are.

I don't understand all of the anguish on here....we lost Briers, Carvell, Morley and Hodgson four of our best players in the off season and didn't make signings. Of course we were going to drop down relative to the other sides around us, but we've shown enough against the other three sides we've beaten that we aren't going in to freefall.

Maybe there were some people deluding themselves that we had these great youngsters that were going to "step up" and turn in to Briers, Hodgson etc, that was never going to happen to be fair that was just kidding ourselves.

But still I'm sure the positive spin doctors will be on in a bit to say we're only 2 points down on these fixtures from last season so its not all bad.

because he had better hangers on later in his career

It's just 2 points in March.... Season does not start proper for several months, you have a lot more to worry about than us... Has the messiah lost his touch? Or just lived off the back of Briers and Morley?

Enjoy the season..

For me, this was more demoralising than the Saints defeat - at least then we could use the excuse that players were getting used to new structures/halves etc.

Make no mistake about it - that was an average Wigan team. A decent team would have been out of sight by half-time and not given us gilt edge chances to get back in it, even though it was clear we didn't have the guile to.

Sadly, we're running out of options in terms of attack. O'Brien was dreadful, Myler was awful at best and generally anonymous, M.Monas is now just a journeyman and I still don't see Ratch as a stand-off. As for the forwards, take Westwood and Higham out and there wasn't a single performance that raised any hopes of better days.

Thanks god Wood and Harrison will be back soon, but we could field the best pack on the planet at the moment and still couldn't engineer a decent attacking structure or punishing kicking game.