Let's agree to differ then.
After witnessing that stunt plane yesterday....MK as he now likes to be known hasn't finished there...there will be more to come in.

I can't see the Red Devils challenge for a few seasons yet.

Will be interesting to see who Wigan play at fullback next year to replace Tomkins. I hope they have a young lad coming through their Academy and don't take the approach of signing some 30 odd year old Aussie for a season or two to finish his career.

I think Salford will make Wembley if they avoid us.
A grand final in 2

He'll be a fast, elusive pair of legs to slot in and do the same job tomkins does, so i don't see it weakening wigan. He also has so much experience it'll allow them to ease the young lad in gradually and he'll learn from bowen. Then when bowen retires they'll have a ready made tomkins mark II. It's just very smart management and sucession planning by wigan.

In terms of the question, it is the end of an era for warrington. Transition looms. This will remembered as an era of the cup kings - an experienced team that won some CC's but never quite managed to win the big prize. It will be probably be 3 or 4 years before warrington can come back around again after all the experienced heads have departed, at which the point there will be even more pressure to win the grand final.

fair enough on both Points I'm a big fan of Bowen I think Wigan fans Will finally realise Tomkins actually wasnt the second Best full back in the World....... Bowen Will do a very good job....

and yes I do believe there will be a bit of transition for us, especially If we are finished with new signinigs then I think we may finish 3rd or fourth...........but i'll take that, as Ive been around to see previous seasons of transition which was us avoiding the bottom four...

its not the end of an era, or the end of the world..we are getting rid of some old players and replacing with younger........

We will still be a good team but not a top team. I doubt we will be anywhere near the final again for the foreseeable future.

I do...
we have like for like in props.
A back from Leeds.
we have been over run with 2nd rowers last season and this, we've shifted a few on to make room.
Still, there a surprise is in store after releasing Hodgson from the quota!!

we did that last year, people said we were belittling the league.

We've also been trying to manage our 20s from last year by utilizing swinton, again, people said we've been making a mockery of the situation, but its allowed us to get decent game time for the likes of Glenn Riley and Danny Bridge and a few others who aren't as close to the first team, those two will definitely be int eh first team squad next season along with laithwaite and brad dwyer, rhys evans and GOB.

You cant teach talent. you can advise what you should do in situations but whether they will do it is a different story. If you think by having someone learn from Tomkins and Bowen then you'll have created another Tomkins then I feel sorry for you.

You'll have a steady fullback who will no doubt have good positional play but in terms of flare you have no chance. Players like Sam come round almost never.

Sadly I think out chance of GF glory has now ended. We will be a 5th/6th team for the next few seasons and alas Smith will move on. We've had our chances and fell at the last hurdle. At least we can look back at the fantastic CC wins in 09, 10 and 12.

There's hope...i remember everyone including myself saying that about the pies after they let leuleui leave last season!!

And it's not like you to be off the mark!!

''You'' - I'm a leeds fan, so in reality i couldn't care less how it works out. But i've seen the young lad they have and he looks like he has alot of ptential. With experience he could be a quality player.

I think we will be much stronger next year without a doubt. Lets see who we bring in. I am waiting to be pleasantly surprised. I would like to see evans in next year ahead of bridge and hopefully with penny and any new signings speed up our back line and give us a threat from anywhere on the pitch. The warrington board have said that they aim to improve year on year. I have been impressed with glenn riley and think he will get better. Not seen much of asotasi or england. Dwyer has looked good in spells also. If we can get a couple of quality signings on board we will be back at old trafford next year. We were getting to old and a shake up will be good for the club.