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Quote: Teessidewire "You really believe that, don't you? The main reason for Saints not winning is that they haven't replaced their stars and their overseas signings have been disasterous. Even you can't blame SL or the RFL for that.'"


A very simple and precise reason with which I would completely agree. Whatever the rules ( or interpretation of the rules), you adapt the play accordingly.

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I think that the main reason home attendances are dropping is economics, people being able/forced to pick and choose, simple as that and certainly nothing to do with anti Saints rule changes by the RFL ha ha. The regular rounds counting debate is another factor.

I attended home games as part of a group of 6-8 and we are now down to 2. The 'lost souls' probably a couple of thousand if this pattern is repeated elsewhere, have plenty of Wire watching non texting experience between them through thick and thin and I'm not sure what the club can do to get these 'lads' back week in week out.

It's not as simple as marketing, that might work for 'new' fans. They all know that there is a game on and keep up with news generally, turn out for Wigan Saints and spend their £20 on ale if we are on SKY.

Not knocking them BTW it's their choice and it seems to be the way that plenty of others 'follow' Wire/the sport in general but I'd like to see that 'couple of thousand' back inside the ground supporting the team and admiring the flags

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Quote: Uncle Rico "I think that the main reason home attendances are dropping is economics, people being able/forced to pick and choose, simple as that and certainly nothing to do with anti Saints rule changes by the RFL ha ha. The regular rounds counting debate is another factor.

I attended home games as part of a group of 6-8 and we are now down to 2. The 'lost souls' probably a couple of thousand if this pattern is repeated elsewhere, have plenty of Wire watching non texting experience between them through thick and thin and I'm not sure what the club can do to get these 'lads' back week in week out.

It's not as simple as marketing, that might work for 'new' fans. They all know that there is a game on and keep up with news generally, turn out for Wigan Saints and spend their £20 on ale if we are on SKY.

Not knocking them BTW it's their choice and it seems to be the way that plenty of others 'follow' Wire/the sport in general but I'd like to see that 'couple of thousand' back inside the ground supporting the team and admiring the flags'"



It's interesting that Sky viewing audiences have gone up so much, I wonder if fans are also opting out of ST's and watching more on TV ?

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I don't think we do need to find new fans; just get some of the existing fanbase to start coming back. That will be far easier.

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Quote: mark_m "I don't think we do need to find new fans; just get some of the existing fanbase to start coming back. That will be far easier.'"


I'd like to see it but don't think it's easy at all based on 'my lot'

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Quote: Uncle Rico "I'd like to see it but don't think it's easy at all based on 'my lot''"


I would go more regularly with a few more discount ticket deals.

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Quote: mark_m "I would go more regularly with a few more discount ticket deals.'"


But that's the balance isn't it? The aim from the club's point of view is surely is entice in people (old and new) on discount, they enjoy the product and return full price. Not fill the ground every week with people paying a fiver as it's not sustainable?

Ok tweak the price/discount the percieved pooer games to boost the figures, but, that too can be counter productive as the poorer the product (and it takes two to tango) the less likely you will return.

You know all this anyway

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Quote: moving on... "We're loosing games and the band Wagoners are dropping off. I'm glad.'"


I agree with this to a certain extent. The people you are referring too are very annoying at games, especially the ones who stand with their backs to the match on their phones in an attempt to impress the 14 year old girls they bring with them. But on the other hand like others have mentioned, the clubs needs it in terms of the financial side of things.

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Quote: moving on... "We're loosing games and the band Wagoners are dropping off. I'm glad.'"


Aren't you one of the "missing"?

Pretty sure I read a post from you saying you wasn't attending the Hull game.

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Quote: Uncle Rico "But that's the balance isn't it? The aim from the club's point of view is surely is entice in people (old and new) on discount, they enjoy the product and return full price. Not fill the ground every week with people paying a fiver as it's not sustainable?

Ok tweak the price/discount the percieved pooer games to boost the figures, but, that too can be counter productive as the poorer the product (and it takes two to tango) the less likely you will return.

You know all this anyway'"


Indeed you can't devalue the regular pricing but a few more deals wouldn't go amiss. Get the absentees back through the turnstiles and hopefully tie them back in.

Not sure the club has that marketing information to hand though.

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one thing that has always confused me is the fact that the club charge the same amount to watch a game against Wigan as they do to watch a game against London Broncos. Why cant we have Category A games and Category B games like in football with different prices to try and bring more people in to the so called smaller games. because the price is why people have started to pick and choose which games they go to. if we play a so called small game nowadays a lot of fans will think, easy game runaway victory ill give this one a miss and save 20/30 pound +

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Quote: wiretilidie08 "one thing that has always confused me is the fact that the club charge the same amount to watch a game against Wigan as they do to watch a game against London Broncos. Why cant we have Category A games and Category B games like in football with different prices to try and bring more people in to the so called smaller games. because the price is why people have started to pick and choose which games they go to. if we play a so called small game nowadays a lot of fans will think, easy game runaway victory ill give this one a miss and save 20/30 pound +'"


I think that is a very good point. They have categories for hospitality (well at least they used to when I did it last).

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Quote: wiretilidie08 "one thing that has always confused me is the fact that the club charge the same amount to watch a game against Wigan as they do to watch a game against London Broncos. Why cant we have Category A games and Category B games like in football with different prices to try and bring more people in to the so called smaller games. because the price is why people have started to pick and choose which games they go to. if we play a so called small game nowadays a lot of fans will think, easy game runaway victory ill give this one a miss and save 20/30 pound +'"

I remember a topic on here when we llayest Wigan away that was ridiculing such a suggestion as Wigan had done it themselves and we were charged something like 22 quid as it was a cat a game. Personally its gota be worth a further review if by the club as some games aren't worth asking price when atmosphere and attendance is hurt by lack of away fans.
One thing I want to know is.within which forum or method do we have to feedback such ideas go the club. As surely this is the only way things will get dealt with

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So what are the criteria for Cat A games?

I'll come up with original reasons, i'm genuine though what is the actual reason for Cat A games or is it just crowds?

Wigan (Best known, well travelled)
Saints (great tight games, the hoodoo)
Widnes (Natural rivals, nearest club)
Leeds (Biggest Yorkshire side)
Hull FC (If it's just based on away support, they travel well)

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