Do you think i'm having a 'pop' at warrington's seasons? because i'm not. This is the best warrington side i've seen but the overall standard of league fixtures of the whole of superleague are of poor quality. Did you think the games at warrington and the games you watched on sky were of high quality?

I think the guidance/structure Waite will bring with him, will aid Frayssinous no end.

Also, I don't see how Brown can make Saints' half backs into a table-topping pair.

I think Wire will take it slow and steady and a lack of early intensity will mean top 4 but not top.

Hull are an unknown factor

Saints will be a better team for Brown, yes he lost Hudds but you'll get that sort of thing with uncertainty whenever they thought he was staying they did well BUT are Saints another stop gap?

Wigan i think will struggle early on and pick up near the end of the season, too many key personnel gone to hit it off from the start.

Leeds will improve slightly from last year purely from confidence, i expect top 4 from them.

Catalans again similar to Hull, unknown, how will the new guy cope, can he surpass or even just equal Robinson?

I'll go

Saints
Wire
Leeds
Wigan
Hull FC
Catalans
Bradford
Hudds

for playoffs

1. Wire
2. Leeds
3. Saints
4. W*gan
5. Hull
6. Catalan
7. Wakefield
8. Huddersfield
9. Bradford
10. Hull KR
11. Widnes
12. Salford
13. Castleford
14. London

Looking at the top 6 only, I am going with Gary's pick, except I am going to swap Wire and Saints around. I think Saints have strengthened their team and will be hungry. Leeds will be stronger IMO, even though some players are getting 'long in the tooth' They have some good youngsters coming through and I suspect will be the team to beat for the CC and GF. Wire are an ageing team, and will need to give game time to some of our youngsters - so I think we will drop points. I think our big advantage is the fact we have strength in depth, so at the end of the season we ought to have a good chance of at least one of the two major prizes using a fresh and very seasoned set of professionals.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leeds and Wigan swap their profiles next season; I can see Wigan having a very inconsistent season but coming good at the play-offs, and Leeds playing more to their potential during the regular season. I suspect Hull will have their moments and be hard to beat but might need another season to seriously challenge.

Rubbish.... Yes, their squad isn't as good as last season's, but neither is anybody elses in the league - Most sides will be weaker, even ourselves. Probably, only Hull are looking significantly stronger, and it will be too soon for them to break the top 3.

As long as Tomkins stays fit, then Wigan are definite top 4, possible top 2, and contenders for both Cup comps.

If TS decides that he wants to win the LLS then we will.
Saints won't be as good as some are saying but because there are some poor teams in Super League Saints will make the top 4 by default.

The CC maybe the one where we won't do as good as other seasons.

My top 4 are
1. Wire (easily if TS decides to go for it like he did in 2011)
2. Wigan
3. Hull
4. Saints
5 Leeds
6 Catalans

I actually think we have a good chance of winning the CC again.

I reckon its become a 'tradition' in our dressing room in the same way the playoffs/GF has with Leeds. They will regard it as 'their' trophy and so be totally focused on defending it.

I don't think you could persuade our players to take it lightly in order to free us up for the league campaign. Also the psychology of it helps to override ups and downs of form, in the same way the Leeds players probably think whatever happens we'll be dangerous in the playoffs, our players probably expect every round of the CC will be a Warrington win.

The bookies will make us CC favourites and rightly so.

How good would 4 in 5 years sound?

Interesting to see the wide ranging opinion on how we will do next season. I mean we came 40mins away from another GF (the second half against you lot was a disaster!) under a coach with zero top level coaching experience and one who was tactically narrow-minded. So who knows what we'll do under a coach who has decent pedigree, I'm quite optimistic about the season ahead and I think we will surprise people who are doubting the impact of NB.

If I was a betting man then I'd put money on it finishing: 1) Wire 2) Saints 3) Leeds 4) Wigan 5) Hull 6) Catalan

You lot have the strongest squad in the league and should win the LLS really and get to another GF. Who that is against will be dependant on Leeds' attitude over the season/play-offs and how Wigan respond to losing quality throughout.

TBH if Saints hadn't had such a poor start under Royce Simmons ,for whatever reason ,they would have cruised to win the LLS last season.

I don't think we'll be as consistent as we have been over the last two years.

I reckon:
1. Saints
2. Leeds
3. Wire
4. Wigan
5. Catalan
6. Hull
7. Wakefield
8. Huddersfield
9. London
10. Bradford
11. Hull KR
12. That lot from that smelly town
13. Castleford
14. Salford
...any more 'fords?

I don't know why people are being so quick to write Wigan off, it's all about Sam Tomkins. In my opinion as long as he is at the club they remain a threat.

For my long-range two pence, I don’t think Warrington will be top of the pile, purely because Smith will once again play liquorice allsorts teams to best suit his long-term plan and that may cost us the odd game here and there, as it did this year. I think the “over the hill” players will also be used increasingly sparingly this season which means it could be something of a transitional regular season. A grand final win from any position is all that I want, so I’d be happy with top four and another largely uninspiring regular season if we land the big prize.

I think those who are underestimating Wigan are forgetting that although their squad is depleted in quality compared to last year, it is still better than most of the other sides in the competition, many of which, on last year’s evidence, were pretty poor and haven’t improved a great deal. I also think that Blake Green could be a real dark horse for an excellent season if he can stay fit. I have rated him quite highly when I’ve seen him play for Rovers. He’s a different sort of player to the two outgoing halves, but he is a good thinker who can spot a gap, has a decent close kicking game and possesses pace. I think he may well surprise a few knockers. I expect Wigan to be firmly in the top four and challenging on all fronts.

Saints still have the same problems as last season to rectify with their fullback and halves, but I think their squad is very strong and they’ll definitely be in the top three. Also, their kids always seem to come through and bed-in more quickly than at other sides, so I expect a few more to follow the likes of Jones and Makinson into the headlines under Brown.

Leeds look like they could have a stronger week-in- week-out team than the last couple of years due to the addition of Moon, who was excellent in a largely shoddy Salford side and Achurch, plus some of their highly-rated kids should be stepping up to play more regularly. They’ll still be the same old Leeds and they’ll still be all about Sinfield come the business end. Top four for mine and will take some stopping in all forms of knockout rugby.

I expect Catalans to struggle next year and it’ll be all down to the coach. The terrific job that Robinson did should not be underestimated and I think that appointing someone with the inexperience of Frayssinous is a real gamble and backwards step. I think the lower reaches of the play-offs is the best they will do.

Hull FC look like they could be dark horses if they can get it together, and if they can avoid their usual injury nightmare, they should be capable of finishing at least fifth. I’d expect Huddersfield, Hull KR, and maybe London and Bradford to be fighting it out with Catalans for 6th – 8th.

I think Widnes, Wakey and Cas will scrap it out for places 11-13 and concur with the bookies that Salford will finish at the bottom - probably spending the first few months of the season denying that they have any significant financial problems, before going into administration and needing bailing out by the RFL or a private takeover. I’ve no evidence for this, it’s just a hunch. It goes without saying that consequently, I expect them to struggle on the pitch as well.

I just have a feeling that Saints might win the big prize next year. I’m not sure about the Challenge Cup, but won’t be too bothered if Wires lose out anywhere along the road to Wembley. Been there, done that and now it has to be all about winning at Old Trafford. Not that I would turn my nose up at another Wembley trip, of course, it’s just that we just need to go that extra step and win the main prize and another cup win won’t make up for us failing to do that. Not for me at least.

1 wire
2 saints
3 pies
4 leeds
5 f.c
6 cats
7 giants
8 k.r
9 bulls
10 wakey
11 london
12 widnes
13 cas
14 salford