Well If my memory is correct, 'Cumbria' won the 9's competition this year, so clearly they can combine their club resources when they put their minds to it. Perhaps it is feasible to have a SL Cumbria team, but I suspect it would be a long shot.

On a different but related problem, the RFL site is highlighting the loss of some of the younger players in the UK to Oz (HKR player) and I see from the Wigan site that Hansen is now rumoured to go down under as well as Hock. Then their is Briscoe, who may leave at the end of next season. So it certainly looks as though the movement of players to Oz is gaining momentum. Perhaps Yed's suggestion that SL needs to modestly increase the salary cap may need to be revisited ? I assume the RFL keeps a track of the numbers moving, it would be interesting to see them.

Who's going to pay for it?

As for Cumbria - I can't see it. People always claim it's "a hotbed of RL with huge potential" etc. But is it? OK, yes the area does produce a decent amount of players, many of whom go on to the highest levels. But, you need more than a decent player pool to make a decent SL club. In fact, arguably you don't even need that - look at us. Warrington is not over-blessed with RL clubs. At junior level especially, Warrington is firmly a soccer town. Many of our u20s players are recruited in from Wigan, St Helens, Halton, Yorkshire and yes, Cumbria.

What you need to make a SL club are: Fans, strong commercial support and, ideally, a wealthy backer. Cumbria would struggle on the first and there is no evidence to suggest they'd fare any better on the other two than any of the existing SL clubs, many of whom who are finding it really tough, even when they do well for fans.

Cumbria played England a couple of years ago for the Garry Purdham match. It was reported that the game had attracted a "huge" passionate crowd from all over the county. The size of the "huge" crowd? 5,000.

Cumbria is a geographically large, low-density rural county. There is no way it could generate the crowds needed for a strong SL club.

Nonsense. Each of Workington and Whitehaven have 25,000 population, while Castleford only has 37,000. Granted, Cas are struggling at the moment but they are currently in SL and have managed so far. Barrow have a population of 70,000, bigger than Cas and Widnes and nearly as big as Wakefield.

I don't know what these Cumbrian teams need to do to get into SL, but they have the population to do it, so all this talk of merging is ridiculous. I suspect the answer as to why they can't reach SL is that like the rest of the non-SL teams they don't get a cut of the Sky TV rights...

Aren't Castleford actually the best supported team in RL in terms of average crowds compared to the population of the town? Given that they don't have much of a catchment area due to the close proximity of so many other clubs they do well to sustain as they do.

As I said before, I use the "merger" term loosely because I don't actually advocate Whitehaven, Workington and possibly Barrow (although I think that might be too far away from the other two towns) actually sacrificing their own identities completely. I don't think they're ever likely to get into Super League in their own right though, and surely the people there would get behind a Cumbrian franchise if it could bring top flight rugby back to the region.

Yes, that might mean the existing clubs accepting demotion to Conference level and a more "junior" status, but that in itself would provide a platform for players to look to represent their home town as youngters before progressing to Super League level with their county if they're good enough, rather than have to leave Cumbria altogether as they do now.

Currently if either Whitehaven or Workington were to get to SL (which could only happen via a return to P&R and a big improvement for either club on the pitch) then obviously only their own supporters would go and watch them. Given that all those factors are quite unlikely to come together any time soon though, I'm sure the people there might be open to uniting behind one "neutral" Cumbrian club at Super League level and their historic club at amateur level rather than plodding around the lower reaches and watching SL on telly as they do now.

On saying all that though, I do acknowledge SEB's points as being fairly difficult to argue with!

The difficulty with any cumbrian team is where do they play. A rotating schedule of grounds never works and would require 3 SL standard grounds in Cumbria.

Basing them in any one Cumbrian town defacto makes that town the SL side and the rest of Cumbria would not get a look in.

So there can be no joint venture unless they play in a completely different town to the 3 current pro/semipro sides.

If there was a joint Saints/ Wire team that played every game in St Helens, it could be called the Cheshire team, but in the end how many Warrington fans would follow that, rather than follow the Wire team and want them to gain promotion back to the top league in their own right.

Everyone outside can see the sense in a merger, or a grouping of talent, but sport is more than just the best financial deal. It's about tribal followings.

Cumbria could never work with a single team. Barrow / Workington and Whitehaven supporters wouldn't accept it - just in the same way as the mergers at the start opf SL didn't proceed.

2 leagues of 10 ? Not for me. 1 league of 14 is too much.

I do worry for the sport as the finances as so perilous - and whether we like it or not Sky have been a saviour. The problem is that many clubs have wasted the money.

I appreciate that sports teams are different to normal businesses but they should at least try to break even - with or without a benefactor.

Warrington have to be very thankful for Simon Moran and to the council for their support, but the club is at least trying to make it's assets work for it 24/7.
Not many other clubs are doing that.
Leeds are one of the few others

Wales could have worked if it'd been given more time to build in the lower divisions, London will never have proper crowds (although they do come up with half-decent players occasionally), and I believe Cumbria (preferably Barrow) would work if given a chance.