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| I'd go something like this...
2013 - RLWC
2014 - 6 Nations (Eng, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy) & 6N (Aus, NZ, PNG, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga)
2015 - Ashes Tests down under (GB v Aus), 3N here (Eng Knights, France, NZ), 3N PI (Fiji, Samoa, PNG) & RLWC qualifiers
2016 - 4 Nations over here (Eng, France, Aus, NZ), 4N (Eng Knights, Wales, Ireland, Scotland) & 4N PI (Fiji, Samoa, PNG, Tonga)
2017 - RLWC
Obviously other countries can arrange fixtures too as they see fit. Like Russia, Cook Islands, Jamaica, USA, Serbia, etc I've not included above. 6 Nations could be changed but its more of a concept/tournament filling the end of season internationals than a certainty.
I'd like to see a set schedule for the next 4/5 years constantly so we have something to drive for. Targets, etc and so it's easier to market.
1 GB squad should be enough every four years, gives it more presence as a rare occasion but doesn't overpower individual nations making home nation games seem pointless.
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| Quote: Alfie Langer No2 "I'd go something like this...
2013 - RLWC
2014 - 6 Nations (Eng, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy) & 6N (Aus, NZ, PNG, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga)
2015 - Ashes Tests down under (GB v Aus), 3N here (Eng Knights, France, NZ), 3N PI (Fiji, Samoa, PNG) & RLWC qualifiers
2016 - 4 Nations over here (Eng, France, Aus, NZ), 4N (Eng Knights, Wales, Ireland, Scotland) & 4N PI (Fiji, Samoa, PNG, Tonga)
2017 - RLWC
Obviously other countries can arrange fixtures too as they see fit. Like Russia, Cook Islands, Jamaica, USA, Serbia, etc I've not included above. 6 Nations could be changed but its more of a concept/tournament filling the end of season internationals than a certainty.
I'd like to see a set schedule for the next 4/5 years constantly so we have something to drive for. Targets, etc and so it's easier to market.
1 GB squad should be enough every four years, gives it more presence as a rare occasion but doesn't overpower individual nations making home nation games seem pointless.'"
I like that idea, would also mean we would only miss out on Sports England funding once every four years, which seems to have been the driving force behind them shelving GB.
By the way for anyone wishing to go to the game on Sunday a return on the train is only £13, however there is a rail replacement bus operating between Warrington and Chester. I am hoping to find a coach going to the game from Hull, £40 for an eight hour round trip for me on the train!
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| Quote: Ganson's Optician "I like that idea, would also mean we would only miss out on Sports England funding once every four years, which seems to have been the driving force behind them shelving GB.'"
Sports England funding doesn't work on an annual basis like that.
I'd be suprised if the RFL manage to get allocated much Sports England funding in the next allocation. I'd imagine funding will be massively slashed and allocated to sports the whole country can get behind once every four years like rowing and equestrian.
The sooner we move back to Great Britain the better, then we would have a competitive four nations tournament to go with it and better Welsh, Irish and Scottish teams four the world cup.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Sports England funding doesn't work on an annual basis like that.
I'd be suprised if the RFL manage to get allocated much Sports England funding in the next allocation. I'd imagine funding will be massively slashed and allocated to sports the whole country can get behind once every four years like rowing and equestrian.
The sooner we move back to Great Britain the better, then we would have a competitive four nations tournament to go with it and better Welsh, Irish and Scottish teams four the world cup.'"
Thanks Paul, in that case I can see no logical reason for refusing to bring GB back. Hopefully it will be announced some time in the new year, would be a good way of putting these conversations behind us and moving the focus to the Cup.
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| Quote: Ganson's Optician "Thanks Paul, in that case I can see no logical reason for refusing to bring GB back. Hopefully it will be announced some time in the new year, would be a good way of putting these conversations behind us and moving the focus to the Cup.'" You mean the World Cup that Great Britain is not taking part in, and never will?
What logical reason is there for wanting to bring GB back? I don't understand why so many English fans clamor for a return to GB when it makes no difference to them. At the moment the GB team would just be England under a different name, you would just be denying Wales, Scotland and Ireland the chance to be featured regularly on a big stage, which is ludicrous considering that Ireland and soon Scotland will be independent nations. And equally, people complain about the Irish, Scottish and Welsh teams being full of English players, but the reasoning given for returning to GB would just propagate that issue. FWIW, 7 of the Welsh team that played against France were Welsh born and raised, with a couple of other guaranteed starters like Lloyd White and Rhys Williams only missing out through injury. When GB was in existence just a couple of years ago you would be lucky to get one legitimate Welsh player. And yes, that is down to hard work and development helped in part by Crusaders (who were also lambasted on here) and also by funding from the Welsh assembly (which probably wouldn't come if Wales were denied the opportunities as some on here would like), but the point still stands. You can't expect these nations to just magically produce players from nowhere, development takes time and effort and if we go on pretending that a bunch of English or Australian players running round in a certain nation's jersey represents a legitimate international scene then the sport won't get anywhere.
I know Rhys Evans stated that playing for Wales would limit his opportunities, but the answer isn't returning to GB, that just sweeps the problems under the carpet. The answer would be giving all nations a logical, fair international schedule. Since Evans said that, Wales have featured numerous times on the BBC including a match at Wembley, led just before half-time in a home international against Australia and next year will play at the Millennium Stadium in front of a global television audience, so I think his complaints were probably a little naive and unjustified (especially given that he would have been able to switch anyway had he wanted to under the current rules). I know it's in RL fans nature to complain about anything and everything, but things are going in the right direction. We just need the RLIF to rectify the eligibility laws, which is unlikely to happen until the balance of power is shifted away from the Southern Hemisphere nations that ironically most fans on this side of the world seem to idolise.
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| Quote: headhunter "You're an idiot. Go and watch a different sport.'"
And you Sir, are obviously an intellectual of universal repute, with that stunning response!
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| Quote: Teessidewire "This shows your complete and absolute lack of knowledge of RL. When was the final last played in an empty stadium? Who are the current holders? Do you know how many Samoan players there are in RL worldwide? It will probably surprise you to know that we've had one at the HJ for the past 3 years.'"
In answer to yuor questions.
1. When was the final last played in an empty stadium?
Er, I didnt say it was played in an empty stadium, so your question is meaningless.
2. Who are the current holders?
New Zealand, everyone knows that.
3. Do you know how many Samoan players there are in RL worldwide?
No, I dont care, and whats more life is way to short to find that out.
As to your last ststement, why would it surprise me that David Solomona played for Warrington?
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| Quote: Teessidewire "This shows your complete and absolute lack of knowledge of RL. When was the final last played in an empty stadium? Who are the current holders? Do you know how many Samoan players there are in RL worldwide? It will probably surprise you to know that we've had one at the HJ for the past 3 years.'"
In answer to your questions.
1. When was the final last played in an empty stadium?
Er, I didn't say it was played in an empty stadium, so your question is meaningless.
2. Who are the current holders?
New Zealand, everyone knows that.
3. Do you know how many Samoan players there are in RL worldwide?
No, I don't, and apart from Samoa's coach, who cares, and more to the point, life is way to short to find that out.
As to your last statement, why would it surprise me that David Solomona played for Warrington?
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Marco-Van-B "And you Sir, are obviously an intellectual of universal repute, with that stunning response!'" You've already displayed your embarrassing lack of knowledge on this topic, and the fact that you continued to make such strong assertions despite this suggests that you are either legitimately an ignorant moron, or a troll. Either way, the sport could do without people like you.
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| Quote: headhunter "You've already displayed your embarrassing lack of knowledge on this topic, and the fact that you continued to make such strong assertions despite this suggests that you are either legitimately an ignorant moron, or a troll. Either way, the sport could do without people like you.'"
My lack of knowledge on the subject, er how, by not knowing, caring or being bothered to find out how many Samoans play Rugby League?
The fact that we disagree, does not make you right.
I would suggest that your posts prove that the sport could do without you.
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| Quote: headhunter "You mean the World Cup that Great Britain is not taking part in, and never will?
What logical reason is there for wanting to bring GB back? I don't understand why so many English fans clamor for a return to GB when it makes no difference to them. At the moment the GB team would just be England under a different name, you would just be denying Wales, Scotland and Ireland the chance to be featured regularly on a big stage, which is ludicrous considering that Ireland and soon Scotland will be independent nations. And equally, people complain about the Irish, Scottish and Welsh teams being full of English players, but the reasoning given for returning to GB would just propagate that issue. FWIW, 7 of the Welsh team that played against France were Welsh born and raised, with a couple of other guaranteed starters like Lloyd White and Rhys Williams only missing out through injury. When GB was in existence just a couple of years ago you would be lucky to get one legitimate Welsh player. And yes, that is down to hard work and development helped in part by Crusaders (who were also lambasted on here) and also by funding from the Welsh assembly (which probably wouldn't come if Wales were denied the opportunities as some on here would like), but the point still stands. You can't expect these nations to just magically produce players from nowhere, development takes time and effort and if we go on pretending that a bunch of English or Australian players running round in a certain nation's jersey represents a legitimate international scene then the sport won't get anywhere.
I know Rhys Evans stated that playing for Wales would limit his opportunities, but the answer isn't returning to GB, that just sweeps the problems under the carpet. The answer would be giving all nations a logical, fair international schedule. Since Evans said that, Wales have featured numerous times on the BBC including a match at Wembley, led just before half-time in a home international against Australia and next year will play at the Millennium Stadium in front of a global television audience, so I think his complaints were probably a little naive and unjustified (especially given that he would have been able to switch anyway had he wanted to under the current rules). I know it's in RL fans nature to complain about anything and everything, but things are going in the right direction. We just need the RLIF to rectify the eligibility laws, which is unlikely to happen until the balance of power is shifted away from the Southern Hemisphere nations that ironically most fans on this side of the world seem to idolise.'"
You misunderstand me- I am not calling for GB to compete in the World Cup, nor would I ever. If you read my earlier posts I would use GB once, maybe twice every four years.
As for Evans, I think that if he had the opportunity to play for both Wales and GB the thought of playing for England never would have crossed his mind. To illustrate my point, below is the 2000 Ireland squad. How many of those names would have committed to Ireland, without them also having GB to aim for? N.B. There is no chance Scotland will vote to secede, even with Salmond's army of 16 year olds!
Terry O'Connor (captain)
David Barnhill
David Bradbury
Liam Bretherton
Kevin Campion
Brian Carney
Gavin Clinch
Martin Crompton
Michael Eagar
Mark Forster
Ian Herron
Chris Joynt
Johnny Lawless
Tommy Martyn
Jamie Mathiou
Barrie McDermott
Steve Prescott
Luke Ricketson
Ryan Sheridan
Paul Southern
Liam Tallon
Danny Williams
Michael Withersty
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| I don't think it particularly matters if Saoma or Tonga are giants of the game or not, nor how extensively the game is played there. The thing is they bring a different style of play to the tournament and play the part of the underdog, which the general public loves.
I'd tend to agree that playing group games in front of empty stands does the game no good, but how great was it when Fev went toe-to-toe with Wigan last year - wasn't a huge crowd but the passion and drama was fantastic and you'd have to have been made of stone not to enjoy it. There was probably more at the France Wales game but it didn't feel it.
Fact is we need an international game and pulling up the drawbridge on everyone bar NZ, Aus & England will be another nail in the coffin. On that basis we might as well tell everyone outside of SL not to bother entering the CC as well, and tell Catalan to go merge with RU.
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Ganson's Optician "You misunderstand me- I am not calling for GB to compete in the World Cup, nor would I ever. If you read my earlier posts I would use GB once, maybe twice every four years.
As for Evans, I think that if he had the opportunity to play for both Wales and GB the thought of playing for England never would have crossed his mind. To illustrate my point, below is the 2000 Ireland squad. How many of those names would have committed to Ireland, without them also having GB to aim for? N.B. There is no chance Scotland will vote to secede, even with Salmond's army of 16 year olds!
Terry O'Connor (captain)
David Barnhill
David Bradbury
Liam Bretherton
Kevin Campion
Brian Carney
Gavin Clinch
Martin Crompton
Michael Eagar
Mark Forster
Ian Herron
Chris Joynt
Johnny Lawless
Tommy Martyn
Jamie Mathiou
Barrie McDermott
Steve Prescott
Luke Ricketson
Ryan Sheridan
Paul Southern
Liam Tallon
Danny Williams
Michael Withersty'" No, I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure how announcing a return to GB would be of any benefit to the World Cup, in fact it would be quite the opposite as it goes against the idea of separate home nations. My argument still stands, how many of those players are Irish? Apart from the fact that half the players listed there are Australians and so GB would be irrelevant, would you prefer to see an Irish side full of fairweather ring-in Englishmen, or a legitimate Irish team that actually represents the country? Yes, obviously the former would be more competitive in the short-term, but unless we start to do things the right way at some point then the sport will never develop and we'll be stuck in the same place. I'd prefer not to see measures put in place to paper over the cracks, if Ireland want to have a competitive team at international level then they need to develop Irish players. And if that is your only reason for wanting to bring back GB, then IMO it's not a very good one. As the poster above said, nobody wants to see segregation at international level, and I also don't want to see 'national' teams full of ringers like we have in the past, it is artificial and achieves nothing. I understand why you would suggest it, but your argument about players being more likely to commit with GB would just prolong those issues. It's time to develop a proper international game, not one based on fake teams and heritage players.
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| Quote: headhunter "No, I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure how announcing a return to GB would be of any benefit to the World Cup, in fact it would be quite the opposite as it goes against the idea of separate home nations. My argument still stands, how many of those players are Irish? Apart from the fact that half the players listed there are Australians and so GB would be irrelevant, would you prefer to see an Irish side full of fairweather ring-in Englishmen, or a legitimate Irish team that actually represents the country? Yes, obviously the former would be more competitive in the short-term, but unless we start to do things the right way at some point then the sport will never develop and we'll be stuck in the same place. I'd prefer not to see measures put in place to paper over the cracks, if Ireland want to have a competitive team at international level then they need to develop Irish players. And if that is your only reason for wanting to bring back GB, then IMO it's not a very good one. As the poster above said, nobody wants to see segregation at international level, and I also don't want to see 'national' teams full of ringers like we have in the past, it is artificial and achieves nothing. I understand why you would suggest it, but your argument about players being more likely to commit with GB would just prolong those issues. It's time to develop a proper international game, not one based on fake teams and heritage players.'"
GB would have nothing to do with the World Cup IMO. But waiting for 4 years for a major international tournament is also too long and fails to gather momentum hence why I said an Ashes tournament every 4 years starting 2015. You're also jumping on the back of "Team GB" using this to your advantage thanks to the Olympics and giving more "headline" games to an international calendar that no doubt struggles currently for recognition within the general public outside of RL fans. It also allows players like Rhys Evans to stick with their heritage of being Welsh born and bred as he will be able to compete in both "major" competitions without having to become English.
In terms of the World Cup, it's always going to be hard to directly promote the tournament when only 3 nations have a genuine chance of winning it. There's no doubting the RLWC committee are putting in their best efforts but my only concern is outside of the usual RL channels, I haven't heard anything about the RLWC mentioned. Although, to be fair, the amount of time I spend outside the vision or hearing distance of RL channels is very minimal which could be why. This is why I'd use GB to generate interest in the international game as a whole and get some momentum going in their favour. Other tournaments such as home nations and pacific islands are also essential to get their own nations recognised and some momentum building up to the WC. Although Wales v France and Fiji v PNG may not be anywhere near the scale of GB v Aus currently, the GB game should gather column inches while the other games prepare the individual nations for the upcoming challenges. This maybe too late for 2013 but hopefully all ready and in place for the build up to 2017.
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| Quote: Ganson's Optician "I like that idea, would also mean we would only miss out on Sports England funding once every four years, which seems to have been the driving force behind them shelving GB.
By the way for anyone wishing to go to the game on Sunday a return on the train is only £13, however there is a rail replacement bus operating between Warrington and Chester. I am hoping to find a coach going to the game from Hull, £40 for an eight hour round trip for me on the train!'"
I wouldn't rely on the rail replacement bus service...it took us 4 hours to get from Towyn last year because of that service which only seems to operate at certain times of the day.But if you want to go by train go to Liverpool then get the electric line to Chester then pick the Wrexham train up.
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