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Quote: 21-12 "Biggest myth in rugby league. If you actually met Sam you'd see he's the most grounded, down to earth lad you could ever meet. Whats this "arrogance" everybody speaks of? What exactly does he do thats so "arrogant"?'"


Constantly in the refs ear when they have the audacity to penalise him/Wigan.
Tyring to prevent tries by diving in boots first
Gesturing to fans (yeah I know he gets stick but so do plenty of others)

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If Tomkins wins it, it shows he is respected amongst his peers so I'd doubt he's arrogant to them.

He does come across with a flash of arrogance at times IMO, he does my head in. But so did Sean Long too. Think it's probably down to a combination of their game breaking abilities and confidence/cockiness (delete as applicable) to be the best. I bet fans of the other teams see Briers in the same light.

I'm going for Roby, his workload alone puts him in with a shout but he's carried an average at times Saints pack single-handedly. He's a freak.

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Just to throw a wild card into the mix how about Steve Menzies?

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James Roby for me. He's the best player. He ticks all the boxes for influence on the game, defence, driving force, metres made, setting up his team in areas of the pitch where they can do damage, organisation, passing ability, consistency, few mistakes.

He's my favourite non-Wire player.

Ben Westwood, Chris Hill, Rémi Casty, Kevin Sinfield, Sam Tomkins, Brett Finch... have all had good seasons too. But Roby has been the best.

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Quote: Wolfieseviltwin "Just to throw a wild card into the mix how about Steve Menzies?'"

Yeah he's been very good too.

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Quote: 21-12 "Biggest myth in rugby league. If you actually met Sam you'd see he's the most grounded, down to earth lad you could ever meet. Whats this "arrogance" everybody speaks of? What exactly does he do thats so "arrogant"?'"

I don't think he's arrogant. If he is it isn't a bad thing.

I just don't think he plays within the spirit of the game (he's not the only player). It seems like everything he does is to get a penalty. He winds me right up. If he's not swearing at the ref (never seen anyone swear at refs like he does...and get away with it!) he's hooking his arms or legs around a player or reaching over a player when he's been tackled making it hard for the tackler to get up but also to look like he's being held down.

He doesn't need to do it. He's a good enough player to play without the BS.

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Quote: 21-12 "Biggest myth in rugby league. If you actually met Sam you'd see he's the most grounded, down to earth lad you could ever meet. Whats this "arrogance" everybody speaks of? What exactly does he do thats so "arrogant"?'"


It's a novel celebration to the Leeds fans.



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Quote: morrisseyisawire "Constantly in the refs ear when they have the audacity to penalise him/Wigan.
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Most of what you say is more a reflection on the man’s personality than his actual ability as a player. There are many people in sport that show arrogance, bad sportsmanship that doesn’t mean they are not bloody good at what they do. I don’t think he will get to be MOS, but I also don’t think he is arrogant or a bad sportsman.

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I was listening to the Forty-Twenty podcast last week and Ryan McGoldrick was asked who he thought would get MOS. He said that sometimes if a player isn't particularly liked then nobody would vote for him and the players of the same team might agree not to vote for him. Shows a flaw in the process if that's actually happening because (as much as this pains me to say) Tomkins was the best player in the league last year and he should have won it but maybe he didn't because of his relationship with other players.

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