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Quote: Finfin "They lost at home in the first round by 1 point, not 22.'"


A loss is a loss....You used your second chance, we have to use ours.

The point is, having to play in week 2 is no disadvantage - What has happened to those with byes in week 2 in the last couple of seasons?... icon_confused.gif

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Complete tosh.

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I think you go have a a walk around your wardrobe.

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I think this idea of " Big club, little club,cardboard box " is because our fans listen to opposing fans who convince us we are a little club by opening the biggest mouths in the country which are connected to the emptiest heads in the country ; most of these clubs are envious that we have never been out of the top flight of RL ,now, that is a big club ! What also doesn't help is that when we win a big game the media say it is a bad day at the office for the losers whereas when we lose a similar game we are "well beaten".
Re Wigan in 2010 ...they were made to look good at Old Trafford by a poor Saints performance in the rain that day. Unfortunately,Saints usually are below par on GF day which is usually a wet day & maybe they struggle against Leeds who can cope with the weather better.

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So, in the last 4 yrs we've won silverware every year, yet the inability to reach the Play Off final means that we're not a "big club" ?

Simply nonsense !

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Quote: Saville Row "We would have finished top if we hadn't sacrificed the London game for Wembley. How does that fit with your theory ?'"


Wigan sacrificed the game against Saints last week and also they sacrificed one against Widnes earlier in the season. They have been the best team overall this season.

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I think what DM is putting too much of a divide between established top clubs and an emerging top club like ours.

Success in sport is primarily built from good financial backing, then the right people have to be put in place with that money. Look back through the history books of all sports and that is the start of every story for everyone who has succeeded and page one will show you a rich backer coming in to invest in them. Whether it's as simple as investing in facilities and coaches in a youth set-up or going as far as buying the best players at the elite first team level, it's all about the money.

Wigan RL were invested in in the 1980s and turned professional almost monopolising rugby for themselves before anyone else could get their foot in the door; from United in the 1950s to Celtic in the 1960s to Barcelona in the present day (investment in youth); from Arsenal in the 1920s to Real Madrid in the 1950s to Chelsea in recent years (investment in first team); "The Mersey Millions" that both Merseyside clubs benefitted from; looking at this Summer of the 2012 London Olympics (unprecidented National Lottery funding gearing towards medal success); the American dream is all about money, you get nowt over there for free; what City are doing right now...I could go on and on.

Everything about success is built on investment. Nothing just happens because a club is special or a manager works magic out of nowhere.

Until very recently Wire had little to no money. There was talk of us struggling badly at times. But investment came our way and since then it's been like we've been a completely different club to what we were in recent decades. For years we had an old stadium that needed updating, that's changed. For years we had fairly poor crowds, that's changed. For years we produced hardly any young talent, that's changed. For years we didn't win a trophy, that's changed. But before all those changes there were already clubs that had been in that position for years, some for decades. We're just getting up to that level and are only just starting to establish ourselves as a top club.

After a while of being established everyone forgets about that initial backing that dragged a club from wherever they were to where they're going or where they've ended up. Nobody has a Devine right to be a top club, nobody should have monopoly of success and history tells us that the same teams never stay at the top. There's always someone else. Swinton used to be a top club so did Salford, Preston used to be a top club is footy so did Burnley, but times changed. Wigan Saints Leeds and Bradford haven't always been the top clubs winning all the trophies. And look; Bradford haven't won a trophy in six years, Saints haven't won a trophy in four years...Wire have won 3 Challenge Cups and the SL LLS in the last four years.

We aren't the nearly men like some have said very recently. Catalans reached a Challenge Cup final and Grand Final Eliminator - losing both. That's what 'nearly' is. I'll say again, we've won four trophies in four years. The only clubs who match that are Wigan who have done the same and Leeds who are freaks and have reached something like 14 of the last 26 finals that are possible to reach (winning eight).

People need to get rid of this inferiority complex now. I'll say for a third time, we've wonhttps://www.therhinos.co.uk/images/news/challenge_cup_wembley_rdax_529x285.jpg" >







...in the last four years.

Come on lads n lasses...now the Wire!

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Warrington have all the potential to be as big, if not bigger, than St Helens.

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Quote: Bruce_Forsyth "Warrington have all the potential to be as big, if not bigger, than St Helens.'"


Indeed so on a hinterland population basis. Building up that kind of a supporter base takes generations though and I doubt many of us would live to see it even if you kept up your current high standards on an ongoing basis. I remember reading a match report in some newspaper clippings from the early '60s that described Saints as always having had a small supporter base - it's taken 50 years of (mostly) unbroken success on the field since then to burn the club into the consciousness of the people of St. Helens to the point that a poorly supported club then is now one of the biggest and best attended clubs instead.

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Quote: Dropkick Murphy "The big four clubs in English rugby league are obviously Wigan, Leeds, Saints and - despite their recent problems - Bradford. It's therefore no real surprise that those teams have taken up every single Grand Final spot with the exception of Hull's in 2006 since its inception, and have won all of them.

For me we're in the second tier alongside Hull. Plenty of potential - Hull even moreso than us if we're being honest - but it never quite gets realised. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. We've both been able to win Challenge Cups in the last few years but when it comes to taking the next step up we've failed. It's almost as if the shirt you pull on tells you what you're going to achieve before you've even done it. Saints, Wigan and Leeds all belong in the Grand Final. Warrington don't.

Over the next few years I fully expect us to return to our natural level, which is the middle to lower reaches of the play off positions if its a top eight format, or a struggle to get into the play offs if its a smaller format. It's where we belong.

Go on Wire prove me wrong if you can.

Depressed 'ere.'"



The most well known clubs over in this part of the world are Wigan / Leeds & Hull FC.

You was Champions last year, Challenge cup winners this year.
I don't view Warrington as a big club but definitely a successful one as recent trophies have shown.

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Quote: GEvans75 "You was Champions last year.'"


No they weren't icon_thumb.gif

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Is there a universal definition of a what a big club is?

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Quote: gary numan "Is there a universal definition of a what a big club is?'"


The one that ate all the pies?

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Quote: GEvans75 "The most well known clubs over in this part of the world are Wigan / Leeds & Hull FC.

You was Champions last year, Challenge cup winners this year.
I don't view Warrington as a big club but definitely a successful one as recent trophies have shown.'"

Hull and not Saints?

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Depends on who is setting the criteria doesn't it.

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