I am as made up as anyone that wigan have lost, but can we tone down the celebrations a little? Widnes, no matter how cack they have been recently, are our true rivals and you should never celebrate one of their victories with such gusto. Even against that shower.

I'd rather laugh at our nearest rivals than worry about the unwriteen law we have to hate Widnes. I pity Widnes and want to beat them stupid but it isn't a grudge match or anything.

Delicious!

balls to that

Oh, it's a grudge match alright. I know you're a young student, but if you ask one of the older fans about games in the 80s they will tell you all you need to know. Games against widnes back then (when they were actually good!) were more intense than any wire/wigan game i've ever been to.

just took a peep on that lots board..they are threatening to ban people again..ive noticed a few from warrington that have already had a ban...what a pathetic bunch they are

I remember 2009 being intense.

I struggle to remember the last time I though of Widnes as anything other than not a threat. Maybe it's passed Wire by.

I'd love to have a rivalry on the level as Sts/ Wigan or, to a lesser extent, Leeds/ Bradford but that is many moons away.

We're the ebst team in super league and Widnes are the worst.

As somone of a certain vintage (early 40's), here's my take

The Wids
A big (huge to some) rivalry, that's not existed (properly) since the announcement of the Super League mergers. The Wids have been embarrasing, ever sine (apart from over-acheiving in 2002)

Stains
Come on, as someone of my era, this was never REALLY a rivalry, until the heroic defeats/70-2 thrashing era started, and it became a 'millstone round our neck" since the advent of SL. Let's be fair, the Stains rivalry was the equivalent of our relationship with Leigh, throughout the eighties and most of the nineties. Don't forget, we played Leigh on "glamour" days....Boxing Day, Easter Monday etc, in years gone by.

To me, Wigan is the be all and end all for rivalry, even though, when I started watching Wire, Wigan were poo, and were just about to be relegated. But, it was all about the "mystique"...walking down Bridge St and over Wilderspool Bridge, and seeing THAT graffiti "KILL WIGAN"....and I just thought WOW, there's local rivalry for you.
It always made me nod my head, when Cull was our coach, and we'd be playing Wigan on a live Sky game, and he'd say, in the video interviews (pre-match)..."it's Wigan week"....as a Wire fan, it's always sent a shiver down my spine.

I know the Pies see Stains as their main rivals, and they regard us as an inconvenience, BUT, #### em. Those times when Wigan were in their POMP, and lorded it over everyone (mid 80's to mid 90's), and we'd go to Central Park, and beat them regularly, are my favourite moments as a Wire fan.....long my that continue.

As someone half your age, I agree with this.

I think you could add that we have had better, more meaningful games with Wigan in the near past.
We never faced St Helens in the CC wins. We lost to them when we ran out of steam in 2010 play off game.
Wigan is my favourite away day ~(by some distance)
Widnes 2009 CC game
Both last year's games were great (once to show them we were gonna win the LL sheild and once to seal the deal)

Wigan have this history and, unlike saints, we beat them.

well said..to me wigan are our rivals and have enjoyed our battles with that lot and long may it continue.....p.s suzanah looked fit the other day in that short dress

Whilst I despies Wigan, I've got to agree with Mo I really can't be doing with Widnes at all. It is an age thing and in my formative years they were the team to beat and our local rivals. The memories of squawking, peroxide haired, black and white home knitted triuser suit grannies is enough to still send a shiver down my spine. The most one eyed bunch of speccies IMO during their hey day and may it be a long, long time coming back

Spot on Lefty. Steve Hesford cuffing Greame West round the head just for standing in his way after a convertion, Mark Roberts playing out of position at centre and knocking seven bells out of Kevin Iro, Bish dropping five goals to the loudest chorus of boos you'll hear anywhere. Even Basil Richards (one and only) match winning try. Games v Wigan dominate my match memories as I'm sure they do for a lot of Wire fans.

You must remember 1988 LG. We had a decent side back then and in 87 had lost in 3(i think) finals to a wigan side that were about to start their dominance. However, widnes were the champs then so all 3 of us had good sides. First round of the premiership and we are at Wigan away. Came away with a great win, top atmosphere at the game too. Next round we go to Widnes in what was one of the maddest days ever. The atmosphere was 10 times more intense and hostile than the wigan game. I was only about 14 and don't mind admitting i was t1ng myself. Players brawling (with fans at one point!), fans having running battles with each other, fans spitting on players as they walked out of the tunnel. Police on horseback after the game. It made the Hull derby look like a tea party. If you don't call that a grudge match then i don't know what the hell is. Just because they have been in the doldrums of late it doesn't take away the history of the fixture. Man city are currently utd's big rivals for the title and the utd/city game will be the biggest game of the season because it will probably decide the league. But utd's biggest hatred will always be for liverpool no matter how mediocre they become.