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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Disagree.
He has a two year ban and deserved it.
It has probably cost him somewhere between £300K and £500K.
Wigans point is that a football player has apparently been allowed to train with his team for a couple of months before he could return to playing.
As I said above, let the committee decide and go with that decision.
No drama.'" Recreational drug, nothing to do with sport. Don't agree that the RFL should ban him. Matter between him and his club. If his club doesn't approve then get rid, upto them. I personally don't have a problem with players of other clubs smoking, drinking, getting high or whatever. Can't see any meaningfull performing enhancment from the drug (better off with creatine). Nobody elses business.
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| Quote: mark_m "Agreed. I think it says a lot about Maguire and Wigan that he is even wanted at their club. Would Smith and Warrington allow him back? Unlikely!
Disgraceful really.'"
Of course he would. Smith has let players who have done wrong back into his squad on numerous occasions. Once someone has served their punishment, thats it the matter is over with. We all move on. Its far from disgraceful, its the right thing to do.
Gareth Hock had the potential to be the best forward in the country. He had the ability to dominate opposition, that is priceless. Will he still have that after 2 years out of the game? We will see. I personally hope he does. (Except for against Wire).
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| Quote: gary numan "Recreational drug, nothing to do with sport. Don't agree that the RFL should ban him. Matter between him and his club. If his club doesn't approve then get rid, upto them. I personally don't have a problem with players of other clubs smoking, drinking, getting high or whatever. Can't see any meaningfull performing enhancment from the drug (better off with creatine). Nobody elses business.'"
i think one of the things that was said at the time was its on WADA's list due to the potential use of coke as a masking agent for other things being taken, which sounds a bit daft when you read that, but they're the experts.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "i think one of the things that was said at the time was its on WADA's list due to the potential use of coke as a masking agent for other things being taken, which sounds a bit daft when you read that, but they're the experts.'" If you read through their prohibited list it comes under (s6) stimulants and does not appear on their (s5) masking agents.
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| Cocaine is classified as a performance enhancing drug by WADA. Why don't people seem to understand this?!
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Cocaine is classified as a performance enhancing drug by WADA. Why don't people seem to understand this?!'" I understand it but don't agree with it. I'd place a bet that Hock wasn't using it as such and the rugby league don't have to adhere to WADA's list.
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| Quote: gary numan "I understand it but don't agree with it. I'd place a bet that Hock wasn't using it as such and the rugby league don't have to adhere to WADA's list.'"
Completely agree that Hock probably wasn't using it to enhance his performance. But there are a number of reasons that it is classified as such drug. It raises aggressiveness, confidence, alertness and reduces tiredness to name a few.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Completely agree that Hock probably wasn't using it to enhance his performance. But there are a number of reasons that it is classified as such drug. It raises aggressiveness, confidence, alertness and reduces tiredness to name a few.'"
Well then watching boxing, team talks and drinking caffineated beverages should be banned?
You'd have to be snorting cocaine just before kick off in a hope to get the kind of results you quote. Just as easily you could get -
[iThe few studies that exist suggest that little to no performance gains are incurred from cocaine and its amphetamine-like properties. Cocaine is notable for distorting the user's perception of reality; for example, an athlete may perceive increased performance and decreased fatigue in the face of actual decreased performance in both strength and endurance activities. An increase in heat production combined with a decrease in heat loss associated with cocaine abuse impairs the body's ability to regulate its temperature during physical activity.[/i
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| Quote: gary numan "Well then watching boxing, team talks and drinking caffineated beverages should be banned?
You'd have to be snorting cocaine just before kick off in a hope to get the kind of results you quote. Just as easily you could get -
[iThe few studies that exist suggest that little to no performance gains are incurred from cocaine and its amphetamine-like properties. Cocaine is notable for distorting the user's perception of reality; for example, an athlete may perceive increased performance and decreased fatigue in the face of actual decreased performance in both strength and endurance activities. An increase in heat production combined with a decrease in heat loss associated with cocaine abuse impairs the body's ability to regulate its temperature during physical activity.[/i'"
I am by no means an expert on the case and I can't be bothered trawling through the internet. The information I have came from WADA's website and so is a very reliable source. I'm sure their massive team of specialist scientists and researchers know exactly what they're talking about.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "I am by no means an expert on the case and I can't be bothered trawling through the internet. The information I have came from WADA's website and so is a very reliable source. I'm sure their massive team of specialist scientists and researchers know exactly what they're talking about.'"
All i can find on their website is the list with no expansion on the specific effects of drugs. As for experts, i've grown very cynical of people being pronounced as experts, ideas change all the time. All i know about people taking coacaine is they feel euphoric (never aggresive) and don't appear to display any physical increases that could be described as being more athletic.
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| Isn't excessive caffine frowned upon (serious question)?
and what site you looking on ?
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Quote: Yed™ "Isn't excessive caffine frowned upon (serious question)?
and what site you looking on ?'"
I think caffeine used to be on the WADA list but no longer appears. www.wada-ama.org
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Quote: Yed™ "Isn't excessive caffine frowned upon (serious question)?
and what site you looking on ?'"
I think caffeine used to be on the WADA list but no longer appears. www.wada-ama.org
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| Quote: BobWire "Of course he would. Smith has let players who have done wrong back into his squad on numerous occasions. Once someone has served their punishment, thats it the matter is over with. We all move on. Its far from disgraceful, its the right thing to do.
Gareth Hock had the potential to be the best forward in the country. He had the ability to dominate opposition, that is priceless. Will he still have that after 2 years out of the game? We will see. I personally hope he does. (Except for against Wire).'"
Like who? The club have been pretty tough on individuals in recent memory, one of the last being shown the door was Stuart Reardon for his behaviour off the field.
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| Quote: Yed™ "Isn't excessive caffine frowned upon (serious question)?
and what site you looking on ?'"
I hope not, read twitter and 90% of them are addicted to Costa. Nando's too but I cant see flavoured chicken being a performance enhancer.
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| Quote: mark_m "Like who? The club have been pretty tough on individuals in recent memory, one of the last being shown the door was Stuart Reardon for his behaviour off the field.'"
I can remember a quote from him from years ago which went along the lines of they have done bad, been punished, now we move on. I cant remember the details of what that was about but Bailey and Senior were done for performance enhancing drugs under Smith's reign and were welcomed back.
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