Jeez... you Wire fans really do take the 'chip on your shoulder' to a whole new level.

How arrogant to suggest that a professional player would risk his career or season to play against you 'just because you're Warrington'. Have you even considered that perhaps (if there's even any risk at all) it's because you're title contenders so it may turn out to be effectively a 4 point match?!

I'm 100% sure that if Wellens and/or Graham play this weekend, they would've have played against at least 6 of the other clubs in SL, and that they are not risking life & limb just to 'get one up' on Wire.

Yes, had they have been playing Wakefield, Salford, Catalans etc, they may well have given them an extra week, but if they're pushing to come back 'early' it is because this is an important match in the race for #1 spot, and NOT 'because beating Warrington means A LOT to them'.

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I have to agree with the above. Saints don't see us as the same as the derby they have with Wigan. Yes, perhaps in the latter stages of the KR record they may have gone guns blazing, but now I am sure they are basing team selection on the fact that we are rivals for the same piece of silverware.

Simmons isn't going to risk 2 key players for saints who aren't fully fit just because it's us. He will pick his strongest squad possible and mitigate any risk.

Unfortunately Yed I agree with you. We weren't great by any means last week and abject in Cardiff so it would require either a huge turn around in our form or a big drop in theirs for us to come away with the points. Our forwards need to totally dominate the middle for us to win imo and Saints pack isn't one that gets dominated by many.

Unless it's a Grand Final. Where they also often opt to play without half backs too.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but you are wrong. Got absolutely nothing to do with arrogance or chip on shoulder or anything. I'm not suggesting they want to beat us because I think we are a big club now. It's more about the pride they have in being able to keep the run going, no matter what we throw at them or what form / injury situation there is. In fact, I'm not suggesting anything, simply passing on something I happen to know from the players themselves. Sorry if that doesn't fit your theory but it happens to be true.

I think you've missed my point because that is exactly what I AM suggesting.

You're talking complete and utter tosh.

If you genuinely think that the fact Wellens & Graham could be playing at the weekend is 'more about the pride they have in being able to beat Warrington' and less about fielding the best possible team to beat possible title contenders you have a bigger chip on your shoulder than I thought.

I'm not saying they don't enjoy beating you. I'm sure it does mean something to them (more than say, beating Quins) but what you're suggesting is utterly ridiculous. I would just like to reiterate that I believe if they are too injured to play, they will not play. However, you're suggesting that the reason Saints are fielding a strong side, and 'potentially' 'risking' two star players is because of silly oneupsmanship over their 'local rivals' and pride in a record, and not because they think you're title contenders and this could turn out to be a 4 pointer is utterly, utterly ridiculous. You've lost the plot.

Wrong. YOU have missed MY point and therefore you have lost the plot. Once again, I'm not suggesting anything. Just passing on what I know.

I'd like you to point out where I said that it doesn't mean a lot to the players? I said it may not mean as much to our fans as it does to yours.

In the post you have quoted I stated Simmons wouldn't risk them for the rest of the season due to pride. The only reason they would be playing is because you're title contenders. Nothing to do with a stupid run of victories.

you're great !

Do you also do children's party's?

Trust me, you are wrong. I'll got to leave this for now. But I AM right, honest!

So just so we're clear...

You're saying that Saints are 'risking' Wellens & Graham because maintaining this record against Wire and the pride of a local derby is so vitally important to them it's worth the risk?

And that if they were playing Wigan or Leeds they wouldn't take the risk and they'd be left out because there's no 'record or pride' at stake?

WOW!! That is beyond arrogant.

He hasnt said any of that

You really should read what someone is saying properly before quoting them and making yourself look like a moron.

Perhaps, just perhaps if saints wanted to win this so much, they wouldn't risk any players that are injured because they need a fully fit team?! Or maybe saints don't see wire as a threat and are willing to risk fielding a team that is not 100% fit to try and get them back to full fitness. Either way, some of you wire fans need to stop looking for excuses before the biannual drubbing by saints!

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=484063 Einstein has started a thread on the leeds forum for backup you couldn't make it up.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=484063 Einstein has started a thread on the leeds forum for backup you couldn't make it up.